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Edit request on 17 August 2012

please remove the ahmadiyyahs from the tribes list (talk) 15:03, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Deontalk 02:16, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 February 2013

Good evening, I should like to request the inclusion of the terms "islamofacism" and "Radical Islam" in the green drop down to the right titled "Islam", at the very least under 'Other'. It's not like Wiki to cherry-pick... (talk) 00:52, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done and added Criticism of Islam as well. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 21:53, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 3 May 2013

Islam is NOT about sects/denominations as mentioned. This is completely wrong info. Syadmustafa (talk) 11:41, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. When making edit requests, please make your request(s) as specific as possible, in the form of "Change X to Y". --ElHef (Meep?) 12:00, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 February 2014

Can someone please check why pics of pigs (Sow_with_piglet.jpg) are showing up on this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_in_Islam when the same template is used and it shows up fine on other pages. The image should be (Allah-eser-green.png). Thanks.

Thanks Arjayay, but the image is still there. (talk) 19:26, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done this vandalism has been reverted and the user has been blocked. Arjayay (talk) 19:37, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

If it appears on any more pages, just purge them and they should be fixed. Jackmcbarn (talk) 20:06, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Inclusion of Ahmadiyya

An editor has removed the link to the article on the Ahmadiyya movement from the template. The rationale given is that the movement is not considered to be a denomination of Islam by other Muslims. The relationship between the Ahmadiyya movement and the rest of Islam seems to resemble the one between the Mormon Latter Day Saint movement and the rest of Christianity. Both self-identify as a denomination of Islam and Christianity, respectively, and both are characterised as non-Islamic and non-Christian by those who do not belong to the respective denominations. Just as the Mormon movement is linked to from the {{Christianity}} template, so it makes sense to link to the Ahmadiyya movement from this template. I am not saying that because it's done one way there, it must be done the same way here, but rather, I quote it just to point out how similar cases are being handled elsewhere on Wikipedia.

Of course, this is only based on a cursory comparison of the relationship between the denominations and their respective religions. Either way, whatever the final decision, it should be grounded on consensus, so I think that it is important that this is discussed properly. --Joshua Issac (talk) 14:58, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Opposition Just because someone claims to be a Islamic sect does not make them Islamic. Let's examine the Ahmadi position: The idea that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is not the final messenger (as Ahmadi's don't distinct between the words rasul and nabi) Prophethood (Ahmadiyya) The declaration of faith in Islam: There is no God but God and Muhammad is the final messenger of God. - The shahadah In defiance of the shahadah one cannot be called an Islamic sect. Even shias accept the first line and then say that ali is the wali. But they still accept the base. The Ahmadis undermine the first premise. Therefore, they are not an Islamic sect but a seperate religion.

The ahmadiyya sect or religion debate should not be settled by Mormon analogies rather it should be settled by the rational and empirical facts which govern the Islamic theological position. I think the matter is quite clear, objectively, and despite all analogies, the rational position tells us not to change it otherwise. (Wiki id2(talk) 15:11, 14 April 2014 (UTC))

Keep for the obvious reason that Wikipedia is not there to decide on someone's faith. This matter has been discussed a trillion times, see for example the talk pages of Ahmadiyya and Ahmadiyya Muslim Community and their archives. Maybe an FAQ page Talk:Ahmadiyya/FAQ should be created because these complaints keep on coming. Thank You.--Peaceworld 15:23, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Counter Wikipedia doesn't decide one's faith, I agree. Facts classify faith It is rational that on a meritocratic basis, the Ahmadiyya movement may call itself Muslim but it is too much on the fringe. An example is the Baha'i faith. They too claimed at one point that they were an Islamic sect, but eventually accepted that they might have stuff in similar but they are different in essence. An example is: Abrahamic religions. We do not say that Islam and Christainity and Judaism are the same because they worship one God. They have a common shared geographical and scriptural tradition married with political and social objectives. The Ahmadiyya is entirely different from these categories. It originated in the subcontinent and does not accept the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as a final prophet. I'm not desecrating the Ahmadiyya community, I'm trying to establish the objective fact - which is that as much as they want to be the Islamic religion the objective facts (not the Pakistani constitution or executive orders - but the rationale behind it) provides a view as to why it is not a sect but a seperate religion in it's own right. A religion which is based on the Islamic traditions as Islam is upon Juadaeo-Christian ideals - so Ahmadiyya is not a sect per se. (Wiki id2(talk) 21:04, 16 April 2014 (UTC))

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