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Proposed deletion of NuvoSonic

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The article NuvoSonic has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

I can find no evidence of the continued existence of this company. Both external links are dead, the domain is up for sale, and says that the tradename has been abandoned. May not have been Notable in any case, but defunct, it's certainly not Notable.

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Happy New Year Anthony Appleyard!

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Hello Anthony Appleyard:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve the encyclopedia for Wikipedia's readers, and have a happy and enjoyable New Year! Cheers, BusterD (talk) 05:45, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

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merging from Articles for Creation?

Deleted user account

I have asked User Casliber at User_talk:Casliber#Deleted_user about what to do about deleted user pages. The talk page may need a history merge, so you will probably be interested. Snowman (talk) 17:21, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

This Special:Contributions/Vanished_user_19794758563875 edit history is User KimvLinde's edit history. I can not see deleted pages, but it looks like the account has been moved. The edit history of the vanished user shows that the edits were made by User KimvLinde's edits, because her name is seen in the edit summary of moved pages. Read the edit summary of this file-move edit. Snowman (talk) 23:59, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
I can see User KimvLinde's talk page now, but her contributions are on the vanished users account. Perhaps, the vanished user's talk page and user page need to be moved back to their proper place at User KimvLind's account. Snowman (talk) 12:58, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
The edit histories of User KimvLind's user page and user talk page look fine now. However, User KimvLind's contribution history (that includes all her Wikipedia article edits) is missing from the KimvLind account, but is present on the vanished users account. I presume that KimvLind's talk page together with her contribution history was moved to the vanished users talk page. I also suspect that she deleted her own user page without creating a user page for the vanished user. The edit history of the user pages are completely different to the users entire contribution history. Will User KimvLind's entire contribution history be returned to her account (and not just the edit history of the talk page) if you moved the vanished user's talk page to user KimvLind's talk page and then repaired the edit history of the talk page. There might be a different way of moving users contribution histories between accounts. Snowman (talk) 14:51, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Anthony Appleyard

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Wizard of Oz

  • Simply stating that opinions are "close to 50/50", as you did in your decision at Talk:The_Wizard_of_Oz_(1939_film)#Survey is unhelpful. Your job as a closer is not to count !votes, but to evaluate the arguments in terms of basis in policy and guidelines. It's one thing if both sides have strong arguments based in policy/guidelines. But that was not the case here, IMHO. Please re-evaluate your decision, and, at the least, explain what you believe are the arguments based in policy/guidelines. Thank you. --B2C 23:42, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
  • That discussion had run for 48 days without reaching a consensus. Every so often a discussion about something goes on endlessly repetitively and looks unlikely to reach a decision. I have known such arguments to make approaching a megabyte of arguing. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:55, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Maybe it reached a consensus; maybe it didn't. But saying the opinions are "close to 50/50" does not tell us whether it did or not. Maybe the !vote count is 50/50, but if one side is dominated by policy-based arguments, and the other side is dominated by JDLI arguments, consensus has been reached. Your apparent failure to recognize and appreciate this critical aspect of consensus determination after all these years is disturbing. The failure to make this distinction is why closers did not find consensus for eight years at Yogurt/Yoghurt, despite its presence there. SEE ALSO: WP:Yogurt Principle. --B2C 05:55, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
  • I have just read the discussion, and I saw the same roughly equal mixture of opinions for both sides and no consensus reached, that I saw before, reaching the limit of what people can say without repeating each other. I have several times seen that stage reached and passed in megabyte-sized endless discussions. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 07:12, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
  • No matter how many times you read it, if you don't evaluate what you read with respect to basis in policy, you will keep seeing "the same roughly equal mixture of opinions". Whether other megabyte-sized endless discussions did or did not develop consensus is irrelevant here. Unfortunately, you're not the only closer who tends to count !votes rather than evaluate arguments in terms of basis in policy, so findings of "no consensus" are all too common. But usually when a closer finally comes along who evaluates the arguments with community consensus (as reflected in policy) in mind, consensus is found, and the matter is settled. --B2C 16:27, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Move review for The Wizard of Oz (1939 film)

Eric Orr and Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Eric Orr

Dear Anthony:

The above Afc submission was about to be deleted under G13. It's a copy-paste remnant of the mainspace article. There is only one edit by Huon other than bots and templates that overlaps. His edit didn't include any of the article text - just some technical tweaks. Can the two articles have their histories merged? —Anne Delong (talk) 03:24, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! —Anne Delong (talk) 09:51, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Sherman Way (Los Angeles Metro station) and Sherman Way (Los Angeles Metro station)

Well can you please do that then? The remnant will fade away eventually, and in the meantime would not be doing any harm. Better to save some of it than nothing, IMO. —Anne Delong (talk) 15:57, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! —Anne Delong (talk) 16:33, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Run Devil Run (Girls' Generation song)

  • Anthony, Thanks for closing the RM discussion at Talk:Run Devil Run (Girls' Generation song). As I pointed out here, the article was historically at the title Run Devil Run (song) until it was moved without discussion here (occasioning the RM). These recurring moves clearly are controversial; as I said if the result was (as it clearly was) "no consensus" the article should be restored to its stable title. Would you consider moving it back? Cheers,--Cúchullain t/c 13:57, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
  • I agree, and as support would point to Wikipedia:Consensus#No consensus, which states: "In discussions of proposals to add, modify or remove material in articles, a lack of consensus commonly results in retaining the version of the article as it was prior to the proposal or bold edit". Cheers! bd2412 T 14:02, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
  • The lack of consensus seems to show that opinion is roughly evenly divided for Run Devil Run (Girls' Generation song) (treat it as one of a disambig page's alternatives) and Run Devil Run or Run Devil Run (song) (treat it as a dominant meaning). As some have said, the Beatles song is notable to many Beatles fans, even if it does not have its own Wikipedia article. If I moved this article across, I would then likely get flak from people who wanted this article to stay at Run Devil Run (Girls' Generation song). I have been caught between two conflicting parties before in this sort of unresolved move dispute. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 17:41, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
    • Nevertheless, what policy requires is to return the page to whatever title it had before the controversy began. It can not be the case that one editor can override consensus by making an undiscussed move or other such edit, and then forcing the community to achieve a consensus to undo that bold move. bd2412 T 18:37, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
  • The "bold move" was at 05:48, 3 December 2013‎ by User:In ictu oculi. Someone listed this move back as uncontroversial, and I have changed it into discussed, at Talk:Run Devil Run (Girls' Generation song)#Move? (2). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:24, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
If In ictu had started an RM instead of making an undiscussed move, as he should have considering the song title issues are all controversial, it would have closed as "no consensus". Anything other than a consensus to keep In ictu's title should have returned the article to its status quo. BD2412 is right, this kind of close just encourages editors to make undiscussed moves knowing it will be harder to undue than if they'd put it up for community discussion. I urge you to reconsider.--Cúchullain t/c 22:41, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Hi Anthony, to my mind all this effort to produce an ambiguous disambiguator by removing (band name song) is inexplicable, particularly in the context of a Japanese song vs a Paul McCartney song, and against WP:CRITERIA and WP:NCM.... but that's as I see it, ....the more important issue perhaps is status quo, so I would agree with just putting it back at (song) now that all have had their say. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:37, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Whichever side I support, I am liable to get flak from the other side. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:24, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Well, you won't get flak from me. Also I would expect that ambiguating the song by deleting the offending Japanese girl group's name - and thereby going back to status quo - is the less flak option. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:35, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
After seeing above I've forked the Run Devil Run (Paul McCartney song) into its own article. Hopefully that will end this. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:06, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

A Tesla Roadster for you!

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Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia! Gg53000 (talk) 14:52, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

A Tesla Roadster for you!

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Help with a cut and paste move

Hello! A little bird told me that you would be an excellent person to ask about fixing a botched move.

If you are willing and able to help, thank you so much! heather walls (talk) 19:59, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Zoroastrianism in India

Splice script

If there is a "history merge" script that can take parameters, I'd like to modify {{histmerge}} so that all you have to do is click on a link to activate the script. The link would be pre-populated by the editor who placed the histmerge request with things like

  • Merge-to page
  • Merge-from page
  • Starting edit of merge-from page to be merged in (default: oldest edit)
  • Ending edit of the merge-from page to be merged in (default: newest edit)
  • Any other parameters that are needed for the script.

If I can figure out how to do it, the updated histmerge template would show an alert if there were overlapping edits and/or edits that, by virtue of edits not included in the starting-to-ending range, edits which the requester indicates should be discarded. As I don't have admin access, It would be helpful to have a copy this script to study it and someone willing to beta-test it when it was ready for testing. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:24, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

  • See Wikipedia:How to fix cut-and-paste moves. Other complications are:-
    1. Already-deleted edits in the merge-from page and in the merge-to page.
    2. What to do with their talk pages and talk archives and any other article subpages and talk subpages such as sandboxes and information pages. Some pages have quite a collection of xxxxx/..... and Talk:xxxxx/..... -type subpages. Sometimes talk pages also need to be history-merged, and sometimes not.
    3. In a pair of corresponding subpages, of the merge-from page and of the merge-to page, one may redirect to the other.

Blue World

Hallo Anthony, in the course of your moves you seem to have lost the article about the Moody Blues song completely: Blue World now redirects to Blue world where the entry for the song is ... Blue World. (Well, that was the case while I was typing that paragraph - see below).

If there was a recent RM it was not uncontroversial, as there was a lively discussion of this title a few months back, which is why it was on my watchlist. As far as I can remember, the song had been at that title for ages and someone claimed it was not the primary topic but after discussion it stayed there, as the primary topic for the form with capital "W".

.... Ahah, while I've been typing this, someone has now amended the dab page to link to Blue World (The Moody Blues song). And we can see there the discussion at Talk:Blue_World_(The_Moody_Blues_song)#Requested_move_20_November_2013 which was closed as "Not moved", and to which an editor added a later comment and, presumably, made the RM. Please revisit this. Thanks. PamD 08:48, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Surely where there has been a RM within the last two months a page move is not uncontroversial, and should have been discussed on the talk page? As a contributor to that discussion, and with the article watchlisted, the first I knew of the RM was seeing it moved today (and, temporarily, in a muddle). Pehaps the new song is now sufficiently notable for the Moody Blues song no longer to be primary topic, but it should have been discussed. PamD 08:54, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
And looking at the talk page reminds me that there are over 100 incoming links to the song, which will all now be pointing at the dab page. Who is going to clear them up? PamD 08:58, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
And I now see that the editor who requested the move has updated the Moody Blue template, and the number of links is falling while I watch ... only 6 in article space just now. Good. PamD 09:05, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
There wasn't really much to fix, a majority of the pages just needed purging as they all had the navbox template on it. Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 09:16, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

China University of Petroleum

Thank you. Beagel (talk) 18:52, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Request move for King Dedede

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New request at Wikipedia:Cut-and-paste-move repair holding pen#New requests. --Bejnar (talk) 04:22, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Talkback: article history repair for El Boricuazo

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cut and paste move

  • Thanks for finding out about the vanished user. I have got a "routine" problem today. See cut and paste move from Stierlings b-w to Stierlings WW by User Pvmoutside. I think the edit history needs fixing. Snowman (talk) 13:52, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Yes check.svg Done Anthony Appleyard (talk) 15:40, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Thank you. Snowman (talk) 18:54, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Academics Stand Against Poverty

  • Dear Anthony: This article was copied and pasted to Academics Stand Against Poverty. After that a reviewer edited the article, but only to remove duplicate material, and then declined it. Can the history be put back together? If not, the Afc article will be deleted within a day or two. —Anne Delong (talk) 02:04, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Yes check.svg Done Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:58, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks again. —Anne Delong (talk) 05:22, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

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  • Hi! Someone boldly made a move that maybe could've used an RM instead; someone else raised an RM to revert it; would you mind speedily moving this so that a new, proper RM can be filed? I'd honestly probably support leaving it at the unadorned title, but it's going to be a lot simpler if the bold move is reverted first. Thank you for your help in keeping RMT up, by the way; I definitely appreciate it. Red Slash 03:41, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
  • It is proper procedure for me, to let the RM at Talk:Maori All Blacks#Requested move run its course and leave it a week to be discussed, unless WP:SNOWBALL applies in the case. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:42, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Clifford Stanley Kwan-Gett and Clifford Kwan-Gett

  • Dear Anthony: Here is another pair that I hope can be merged. The older article does have one edit that overlaps, but it is only the removal of some Afc material and comments, nothing that affects the text of the article. Please take a look and see what you think. —Anne Delong (talk) 19:35, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Yes check.svg Done Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:24, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks again - have you noticed that the more helpful you are, the more work comes your way? —Anne Delong (talk) 01:16, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
  • (talk page stalker)All of the work, and not enough of the thanks. Is it too early to thank you for histmerging the next pair of pages that need it that I run across, even though I don't know what those pages are yet? :) davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 05:35, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Indef semi

See also link at Verbosity

  • Hello, Anthony Appleyard. You added a hatnote at Verbosity saying, "See also Pleonasm". There is a 'See also' section on the page, which includes a link to 'Pleonasm'. I don't understand what the hatnote is for. Cnilep (talk) 08:38, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Sorry. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 08:48, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi, me again. Your edit summary at Elegant variation says, "The matter which was in page Elegant variation and was merged into page Verbosity, has since been deleted from there by other editors." It hadn't, though. I made the merge only seven hours before your edit. If you think the merge was inappropriate, that's fine, but you may want to remove any duplicate bits from Verbosity. Cnilep (talk) 10:09, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Query about a history merge

Hello, Anthony. When you did this you had presumably seen this, so you must have explicitly decided that I was mistaken. I am puzzled as to why you disagreed with me. Had I somehow missed some copied content? JamesBWatson (talk) 20:49, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

I now see that the same applies at Hallyuwood. JamesBWatson (talk) 20:51, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Consensus on "Suggestion to split Guilty Gear XX/X2 updates into different articles"

Hello, you're invited to vote and express your views about this on the discussion topic. Jotamide (talk) 23:46, 7 February 2014 (UTC)


Wikipedia:Kaiperambalur listed at Redirects for discussion


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Technical requests (3 categories)

Hi could you help me move a couple of pages? I can't seem to request their transfer since they're categories and don't display properly in the template. They are:

Thanks if you can help! --Prosperosity (talk) 00:51, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Egyptian Revolution of 2013 for deletion

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Nomination of Poser figures for deletion

Changed my mind about AFD and just reverted you. The article does not come even close to meeting WP:GNG. GDallimore (Talk) 16:05, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Super Bowl LIII

Requested move

Thanks! Rothorpe (talk) 19:57, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
And there are a further four I can't move, which i don't think are controversial. OK if I list them here? Rothorpe (talk) 20:40, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

User talk:Misses001

  • Thanks for your help in sorting out the Misses001 user pages. It appears that this move discarded five talk sections, and I don't think the user had seen at least the last two of them. Those sections were edited on 23 February (one by me and one be, but Misses001 last edited on 22 February. Cnilep (talk) 01:58, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Yes check.svg Done. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:44, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

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About "AP.9"

Hi Anthony. This article is now a redirect but still has a current talk page with two archives. There appears to be a lot background to this article that I'm not aware of. Your thoughts about where to go to from here with this? Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 07:33, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

At 06:18, 28 February 2014 after history-merging I left AP.9 as an article. Later, at 15:57, 28 February 2014‎, User:STATicVapor redirected it to Mob Figaz "Reverted to revision 574183942 by Qwyrxian (talk): Fails WP:MUSICBIO, lacks significant coverage in reliable sources.". AP.9 is a member of Mob Figaz. I have restored the article to text and AfD'ed it, at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AP.9 (2nd nomination). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 08:10, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Ah, now I get it. After checking the first AfD, I declined the speedy. I'm inclined to agree with STATicVapor that it should be a re-direct, but was hoping STATVap would take to AfD number 2 first. --Shirt58 (talk) 08:51, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

2014 Russian invasion of Crimea

I contest this move. Please move this back. There is discussion happening on the talk page if you're interested. USchick (talk) 23:38, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

I can undo it, right? According to this [1] USchick (talk) 23:44, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Russia–Georgia war → Russo-Georgian War (move)

I see that you have implemented a so-called "uncontroversial technical request" to change Russia–Georgia war to Russo-Georgian War. I am sure that changing "Russia" to "Russo" is uncontroversial. But changing "–" to "-" on Wikipedia is controversial. They are are not the same symbol. The former is an em-dash or en-dash (I am not sure which). The latter is a hyphen. Apparently the "–" symbol is preferred. Please could you make the change from "-" to "–". I am sure that the proposer of the change was not trying to sneak in a hyphen.

If you feel that changing the hyphen to a dash is inappropriate, I will create a request on WP:RM and we can have a move discussion. I hope this can be avoided.--Toddy1 (talk) 10:11, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Russo-Georgian War

Hi, regarding Russo-Georgian War, that title has been so contentious in the past (see latest move request in the last talk archive, and continuous debate during pretty much all the talk history before that) that it really ought not to have been filed as a "non-contentious" move. Personally, I don't object to having "Russo-Georgian" rather than "Russia–Georgia", but I believe the consensus last time round was in favour of lower-case rather than upper-case "War". Not sure how best to proceed now. Fut.Perf. 11:19, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Regarding your latest renaming, I'm sorry to be pedantic, but according to MOS:ENDASH this is a combining form and an example of where we should use a hyphen rather than an n-dash. Favonian (talk) 13:07, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Uhm, yes, this must have been a misunderstanding. I was definitely not asking for it to be moved to an en-dash version. I totally agree that with the adjectival compound "Russo-Georgian" only the hyphen is correct. My point was about the capitalization of the "w". Fut.Perf. 13:12, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Fut.Perf - suggest you do this as a move discussion at WP:RM. That way, whatever change is wanted can be explained very carefully and the pros and cons can be discussed by a variety of editors.--Toddy1 (talk) 15:47, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
I don't want any move. I was the neutral administrator who implemented the last move, after an exceedingly acrimonious series of renaming disputes that lasted years. The article finally became peaceful after that, and has been quiet since. Now, three unfortunate mistakes have been made in a row: some editor erroneously filed a well-intentioned new renaming proposal as "non-contentious"; Anthony, in processing it, apparently failed to check whether it really was, and now, on being questioned about it, he seems to have misunderstood something and reacted with yet another move that went to a location that absolutely nobody wants and nobody ever asked for. Now, feeling sort of responsible as an admin for preserving the outcome of that consensus back in the last RM, I wouldn't actually mind a purely cosmetic move over some stylistic detail (such as "Russo-" versus "Russia-", which was not the object of contention in the previous discussions), but the matter of capitalization was part of that discussion, so it shouldn't have been changed unilaterally now. Fut.Perf. 16:18, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Oh f... I wanted to undo the move to the status quo ante, but there are 35(!) archive pages, and as a result of the chaotic circular moving they now all have a history of changed redirects, so they can no longer be moved back automatically... :-( This situation is seriously messed up now. Fut.Perf. 16:28, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
It should be "Russo-Georgian". Whether "war" should be capitalised is up for debate. However, there is no doubt that "Russia-Georgia" is an unusual and false construction. RGloucester 19:49, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Personally, I'd actually agree with that. That aspect of the issue wasn't discussed during the last RM, so if we all feel "Russo-" is preferable over "Russia–", and are confident that's just an uncontentious stylistic correction, that's fine with me. As for the capitalization, I'd still prefer to leave it in the state it was in as a result of that discussion, because experience shows whether or not something is a proper name often is a matter of disagreement with possible POV implications. Fut.Perf. 20:19, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
That makes good sense to me. RGloucester 20:35, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Wars sometimes get every-word-capitalized proper names, as a look at page List of civil wars will show. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:25, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
  • This page is currently at Russo-Georgian War. Please do not want it moving again until this dispute has been sorted out. Every time this page is moved to somewhere it has been before. I or some admin would have to delete one by one 35 old redirects before the talk page archives could automatically move along with their parent page. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:31, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Yes, and unfortunately this situation is all your own fault. There is as yet no dispute. There is only the fact that you made a mistake in processing a mis-labelled move request, and performed a move that never should have been performed. Fut.Perf. 23:50, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
It does no serious harm. We should let it stand, and see if anyone cares to contest it. RGloucester
Well, it does some harm, and I do contest it. The presence or absence of capitalization makes a meaningful difference: capitalization implies that it is a conventionalized, fixed proper name. The consensus at the last move request was that it is not. I have no dog in the fight over this article as an editor, but as the uninvolved administrator who closed and implemented that last move discussion, I must insist that this aspect of the decision be respected, and not be changed without a renewed formal consensus process. The decision over "Russo-" versus "Russian–" was not implicated in that outcome, so I have no formal objections against tinkering with that (and, personally, I would be sympathetic to the new "Russo-" version myself). So, this article needs to be moved, either back to Russia–Georgia war where it was, or forward to Russo-Georgian war.
Anthony, I will perform either of these two moves myself, unless you do it first, which I would prefer. I am assuming you touched this article only with the intention of performing what you thought was an uncontroversial technical issue, so you won't have content-related objections against this restoration. If, as an editor, you do believe it ought to be capitalized to "W", I expect you to step aside as an administrator, let it be restored to the status quo ante, and file a move request as an editor yourself. If you wish to insist on your move as an administrative issue, we will have a serious issue of wheel-warring on our hands (technically, you alreay wheel-warred with your second set of moves yesterday), so I'd recommend you take it to a wider forum in that case. Fut.Perf. 07:45, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
I will say that much of this argument has been debunked in the recent debates that moved Syrian civil war to Syrian Civil War, along with Libyan civil war to Libyan Civil War. I have no interest in a debate, however. RGloucester 15:27, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Russo-Georgian War part 2

  • To avoid confusion, am I right in thinking that Russia–Georgia war is the "status quo ante" that you want me to move it back to? What should I do if people object or bring up other issues before I can get to making the move? My move that the complaint is about, was not my idea but obeying a request by User:Toddy1 at 10:11, 2 March 2014 in #Russia–Georgia war → Russo-Georgian War (move). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 08:26, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Yes Russia–Georgia war is the status quo ante, though Russo-Georgian war is also fine with me, if you prefer the adjectival form (as did RGloucester above, and I think he has a point about that). It also has the advantage that as a move target it's still pristine, so we won't have all the technical trouble if we go for that one. If anybody else should object, it's the same as with any assumedly uncontroversial move that is subject to BRD: the status quo ante gets restored and those who want it changed file a move proposal. That goes for Toddy's idea too: first, it ought never have been performed so hastily, because by the time you processed it, you already had been notified by me that it would be controversial; second, I think we can safely discard it, because it's plain as day to anybody who can read a guideline that it was mistaken. WP:HYPHEN is crystal-clear about this: we use a hyphen iff we use the "Russo-" form, and we use a dash iff we use the "Russia–" form. No wiggle room about that one, at all. Fut.Perf. 08:36, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
  • It is now at Russo-Georgian war. But a point: the status quo ante gets restored: here, if that status quo is a name already used, someone will have to delete 35 talk redirects one by one there before making the move, to let the talk archives follow their master page. Or, is there a special admin tool to delete a page and all its subpages in one action? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 08:43, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Thanks. No, I'm not aware of any such tool. The only thing I can think of – not as a means to fix such a mess but as a precaution against creating it – is to never perform several moves in a chain, but always move stuff back to the original point first before moving it to the next target. Fut.Perf. 09:24, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
  • LOL. As someone who spent hours and hours reading (and occasionally writing) talk page entries surounding the name of that page, I was properly amused by seeing how, even now, it creates one page of discussion about hyphens and capital letters. --Xeeron (talk) 17:39, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Move of Background of the Russia-Georgia war?

More sub-articles

Mr Appleyard, if I may ask, I've found many more sub-articles of the Russo-Georgian war article that need moving to be in line with the new name. There are a lot of them, more than I've ever seen, to be honest. Could you please move the following articles?

Thanks very much. RGloucester 17:14, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

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  • Please see the technical move request here. Do you want to handle this? It does look to be a proper name, which would normally call for upper case. The Andromeda Galaxy article is upper cased. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 16:51, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Yes check.svg Done Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:53, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Regarding my {{Histmerge}} request that was on Conflux (Magic: The Gathering)

Hello Anthony Appleyard,

I noticed that you had "denied" the history merge request that I had posted on Conflux (Magic: The Gathering). I consider you to be the SME of history merges, but I'm a bit confused to why this one was denied. The reason I asked was due to article-subject correlation of the titles. Prior to Conflux becoming a disambiguation page on this edit, it was an article page that had a subject. It seems that what the editor who did so should have done was move the article that existed before that edit and moved it to an appropriate title to preserve the edit history; per recent disambiguation that I have noticed with related articles, the content and edit history should have been moved to Conflux (Magic: The Gathering) prior to turning Conflux into a disambiguation page.

It could be a misunderstanding on my part (so this may truly be an invalid edit history notice), and if so, I'd like to know. However, I did review all of WP:CUTPASTE that I could, and the only denial reason that makes sense to me is the fact that the version of Conflux (Magic: The Gathering) at 1 April 2010‎ might cause a parallel history issue. Is there something I'm not understanding? Steel1943 (talk) 00:59, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

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Enham Alamein

  • Thankyou for undoing the revisions on Wikipedia. However the content is very confused and inaccurate in relation to the naming history of the village and history. I am in possession of many of the original documents pertaining to the Earle estate. Please can we work together to get the facts straight? 13:24, 21 March 2014‎ User:JAMESOWENNASH
  • Thanks. Please what information do you have? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 13:42, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Original deeds pertaining to the Earle estate. Found in a locked strongbox just after we moved to Home Farm Upper Enham.

The Enham Trust:

1919 a 10'000 acre estate inherited by George Hughes Earle of the Cavalry Club Piccadilly 1919 Earle estate sold to the trustees of the Village Centers for Curative Treatment and Training Council (inc) 1921 License granted by the board of trade for the Estate to hold any lands required to carry out its objectives not exceeding 10'000 acres.

Enham trust was I believe registered as a charity post WW2.

Regarding earlier history, and naming,

- The actual Entry in the Domesday book is Ethan, with the closest translation being an enclosure or Island. This is reinforced by the local topography being, at the time, a hill surrounded by marshland.

- Ean Ham is not a truly translatable Anglo Saxon phrase. The only reference that I can find to it is online and it is noted as being no more than a guess.

- There is no reference in the Domesday book of sheep held as an asset

- The first reference to Upper and Lower Kings Enham (and Knights Enham) is in an Edict given by King John for the Inhabitants of Andover to collect their own taxes. Adding "Kings" and "Knights" and splitting the three must have made taxation and ownership easier to manage.

- Lower Enham became Enham in 1919 and subsequently Enham Alamein in 1945 and is in the parish of Enham Alamein

- Upper Enham (Previously Upper Kings Enham) still exists (I live here)and is in the Parish of Smannell. It was renamed in the deeds of 1919.

- Knights Enham is entirely separate and has no link to Enham Alamein other than that prior to 1201 it was part of the singular "Enham"

Feel free to mail me at JAMESNASH01@YAHOO.CO.UK (I am new to Wikipedia and still finding my way around)

Many thanks

James — Preceding unsigned comment added by JAMESOWENNASH (talkcontribs) 14:49, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Thanks for reviewing Serge Lamothe, Anthony Appleyard.

Unfortunately Scalhotrod has just gone over this page again and unreviewed it. Their note is:

There's no explanation as to what the connection is to the Theater, Circus, and Opera sections are. Please establish it.

To reply, leave a comment on Scalhotrod's talk page.

Not sure...

Yeah, second was mine. No worries - thanks for the note. Stalwart111 02:29, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

“two quickly-reverted cut-and-paste attempts from somewhere”


Could you change your wording to remove an implication that I made something wrong? My edit summaries clearly indicated from where did I reuse a content, and why did I create a new page. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 16:13, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Technical request

Mr Appleyard, if I may make a request, I'd like to ask you to implement the move listed above. The official name of the state was 'Hungarian People's Republic', despite this common misconception. This is evident in the Constitution of said state, as seen here. This is also evident in documents found here, detailing the HPR's accession to various conventions at WIPO. Hence, the page should be moved as a technicality, considering the present error. Thanks very much. RGloucester 03:47, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Another move blocked by a duplicate

  • Man, you're awesome! I thought that was a really tricky case with the histories overlapping in time and all, but you speeded through the case, cutting the knot as if it were nothing :-) Thanks! Do you enjoy these challenges? Well, I ask because I discovered that Template:ArchEnemy lacks the space only because the correct Template:Arch Enemy is blocked by a duplicate (apparently the result of a cut-and-paste move), and I can't see a way to merge the histories here, personally, because the templates existed in parallel for some months and the histories overlap completely ... so I guess the template is going to have to stay at this slightly ugly (if old-school) CamelCase title. (I don't think we can simply discard the whole history of the duplicate, or can we?) Oh, well, can't have everything, and it's a minor quibble! --Florian Blaschke (talk) 09:01, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Yes check.svg Done Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:56, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Turns out the overlap was not a real problem! Thank you so much! :-D --Florian Blaschke (talk) 19:55, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

About Korea Greens

Excuse me, sir. I think you might be mistaken for my request. My opinion will be as follows:

  1. Only vision 523247953 ~ 590826580 will be move to Green Party Korea.
  2. Another will need to be move to Korea Greens.
  3. All edits of Green Party Korea/version 2 will be move to Green Party Korea, too.

Also, see the this image. Thanks. --Idh0854 (talk) 12:59, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

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Hi - your recent edit [3] was unconstructive as it deleted referenced content, and so it has been reverted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:01, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

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Hey—I saw that you're active with histmerges. I've been waiting on a histmerge on Grand Theft Auto Online (from User:Czar/drafts/GTAO), if you have a chance and can take a look. I appreciate your help czar  18:04, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! czar  21:54, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

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