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Bonus pictures

Looking Foxy.jpg

Hafspajen (talk) 03:51, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

  • Oh, now those are pretty. The first one might have a chance at FPC, if you want to give it a shot. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:17, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
But you told me they need to be 1500 pixels? the first one is less... then how? Hafspajen (talk) 23:55, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Axis axis is 3,200 × 2,134 pixels at full resolution. All of them are quite nice. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:04, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Wait a minute, axis axis it is already one? Hafspajen (talk) 00:08, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
  • On Commons, which has a different process. A featured picture on the English Wikipedia would have templates like in File:Amber2.jpg. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:12, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
In that case axis shall be nominated. Do I have to have or do any special whatnot to do that? Hafspajen (talk) 00:15, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Just follow the step-by-step nomination process detailed at WP:FPC. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:21, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Probably will get stucked. But I will try. Hafspajen (talk) 00:31, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
  • If you get stuck just ping me and I'll help with the formatting. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:32, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
'smileHafspajen (talk) 00:33, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
  • confused[1] did it but is not there... among the Current nominations... Hafspajen (talk) 01:04, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
  • You forgot to transclude it on the FPC page. Just like DYK; you have to transclude. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:37, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 09 April 2014

DYK for Sous le Manteau

slakrtalk / 17:43, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

  • We should have had "Nazis" and "WWII" in the hook... Drmies (talk) 02:13, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
    • Darn! Too late. Mind you, I think we have drawn some attention already. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:38, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

The care and feeding of efn footnotes

I can't quite work out how to properly apply your suggestion re: XPQ-21. Could you please point me to an article using it in the way you're thinking of, that I could crib from? Thank you :-) - David Gerard (talk) 21:47, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Star Film (Dutch East Indies company)

slakrtalk / 09:13, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Horstmann Technique

Could you please restore this page and its talk page for a redirect to Alternative medicine. I feel that is a more appropriate move per discussion. I was able to find at least one reliable source The Big Picture: Insights from the Spiritual World per WP:PRESERVE. Unscintillating argument of information suppression also relevant. Thanks! Valoem talk contrib 13:32, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

  • If you want to create a redirect, there is no issue with that. The discussion, however, showed a fairly clear consensus for the removal of this content from main space (either as a deletion or userfication). As I said in the closing comment, I would not mind userfying the deleted text if someone requests it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:06, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
I've taken care of that, however I do feel per WP:PRESERVE that the article's history and talk page should be restored. Citations were introduced that were RS and coverage was significant. Given the sources for this technique, its history could be used for future expansion if more sources arise. Valoem talk contrib 14:50, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi, in the deletion comment it says "There is no prejudice against the creation of a user space draft. I can userfy upon request." Since English is not my first language I am uncertain of the meaning of 'creation of a user space draft'? I would also like to express my support for the views of Valoem and Unscintillating regarding a possible merge into Alternative medicine article or similar. Terima kashi Matopotato (talk) 14:11, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Matopotato, it means that I can move the article and its history into your user space (likely User:Matopotato/The Horstmann Technique) so that you can work on it without having to worry about AFD or other similar things. @Valoem, WP:PRESERVE is not "don't delete before redirecting, ever". It is a guide to editing articles which have survived or would survive deletion but have issues which need to be addressed. It essentially means "rather than stubbifying an unreferenced or underreferenced article, try to clean it up". Now, as for the sources used... I can easily give you links if you want to add them to a "list of alternative medicines" or similar article, or you can get them if Matopotato userfies the article (which would, for copyright reasons, have the page history as well). Even better, you could help Matopotato clean up the draft so that it would survive in the main space as a standalone article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:21, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
I would appreciate if you could move the article including its history and people who have contributed to the User:Matopotato page (as I understood was your suggestion?) @Valoem: I would appreciate if you could at least guide me in the direction I need to take to enhance the article. Any help is appreciated. Thanks both Matopotato (talk) 17:05, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

What tempura

Bonus picture

File:Shepherds Bow - Google Art Project.jpg. Still nobody made that correction. Featured pictures criteria 7: Has a descriptive, informative and complete file description in English. And this description say: tempura on wood but it is definitely not tempura, it should say tempera on wood. The description fot featc. pic should be correct, no? Hafspajen (talk) 14:03, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

  • LOL. Tempura on wood. I'd rather have it on a plate. (Fixed). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:08, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Exactly. I was mentioning it at the Featured pictures, but nobody noticed here - a silly thing to say. And if you ask me, judging by the cracks in the picture actually is probably oil and not tempera. Tempera doesn't crack this way. Also the style is very different from the icons, the icons style and cracs..... Hafspajen (talk) 14:10, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Can't see they say that it is an icon or that it is made in tempera. But anyway, even if it is whatewer it is, it was not tempura. [2]Hafspajen (talk) 14:42, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

OK: I think I know what it is. I made a translation with Bing, and this picture is NOT an icon, no. Those are free, separate small paintings. But it was part of an iconostasis, and then it makes sense, it is perfectly clear. Should be corrected, that too. It should say, a religious painting from an Ucrainian iconostasis... That explains it. Hafspajen (talk) 14:49, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Except we need to have a source for that. If Google is explaining it as an icon, then per WP:V we need that. Re: your posting of the tempura mistake at the nomination, I'm sad to say that (with the length of your post) I can bet most people did not see that. I know I didn't. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:25, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Sorry. But I have a Russian source, the Russian description of the painting, from the museum, translated. Hafspajen (talk) 15:45, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
  • That works. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:48, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
  • It is this one [3]. You have to click on the picture that is one of many pictures en masse, below, down on the last row. Then you wil got the picture poping up with a text in Russian, that translates: (Bing translation): "Adoration of the shepherds" (from the series was the iconostasis). II Paul. XVII. Lviv region, Mr. Sokalski, s. Perev'âtičì. Wood, tempera. For some people icon or iconostasis is not much of a difference, but there are indeed differences. Hafspajen (talk) 22:35, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Alright, I've fixed the page. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:46, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
  • smile Thank you, Crisco.. .Hafspajen (talk) 10:54, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Koreksi donk

Crisco, mohon koreksi artikel ini donk: id:Sorga Ka Toedjoe --What a joke (talk) 15:48, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Quick question about copyright/FOP

Hi Crisco- The article Hahn/Cock uses a fair use low quality image. Is there a reason I am missing that a giant 3D sculpture on public display in Trafalgar Square does not fall under FoP-UK? Is it that the public exhibit is time limited? Thanks.-Godot13 (talk) 18:27, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

  • I think it's because the statue may not be "permanent", as defined on Commons, since it is only there for 18 months. Then again, if it is to be destroyed at the end of that 18 months, it would be considered permanent (i.e. the life of the work). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:06, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Joehana

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Joehana you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. Time2wait.svg This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Curly Turkey -- Curly Turkey (talk) 00:01, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Joehana

The article Joehana you nominated as a good article has passed Symbol support vote.svg; see Talk:Joehana for comments about the article. Well done! Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Curly Turkey -- Curly Turkey (talk) 03:41, 15 April 2014 (UTC)


Hi Crisco, I think I may have just made a dreadful faux pas. I reverted the addition of a link to a Blog on Hachi: A Dog's Tale but in the edit summary I included the name of the person who posted it on the blog - maybe I shouldn't have done that as the surname seems to be the same as the editor who keeps adding the information - it isn't their blog just a post they added to the blog. Also should links to google street view/maps be included in articles - originally the editor had included the links directly[4] in the article, which I removed and that seems to have triggered all this. SagaciousPhil - Chat 14:20, 15 April 2014 (UTC) (Sorry, it's just that I noticed you're around at the moment).

  • The edit warring is not your fault. GMaps is of little use as a reference except for verification of existence, which is not how this editor was using it. I've warned the user, and may block if another revert happens. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:26, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Crisco - I was worried in case I might have fallen foul of 'outing' in the edit summary - hence hitting the panic button. SagaciousPhil - Chat 14:30, 15 April 2014 (UTC)


It would be a pleasure, but it may be the weekend before I get a chance to do it if that's OK. Although the fact that you used the word "pitches" to describe cricket bowling almost makes me want to refuse to read anything, and to storm off in a huff!!! On a more serious note, I'm a bit slow at the moment for various reasons. I'm working on a slightly heavy-going biography at the moment, but when the bulk of that is done, I have another chap lined up and will come knocking when it's PR time. Sarastro1 (talk) 19:35, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

  • Blast, that would have bowled me over and ended my twenty not-out streak (yeah, I'm not very good at it). Oh well, that ignorance is why I am so useful in representing the average man with the articles. Your biography sounds absolutely tempting. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:30, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Koreksi hasil terjemahan

Crisco, mohon koreksi hasil terjemahan artikel ini donk: id:Daftar sutradara Hindia Belanda

Cuma seukuran paragraf awal doank kok --What a joke (talk) 05:14, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

I think you meant

"Sources added after this discussion was begun appear sufficient to establish notability" DP 08:59, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

  • I've added "during the course of this discussion.". Your wording would (possibly) give the impression of a supervote, which I am attempting to avoid. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:01, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Livio & Roby

Hi Crisco, hope you're well. I'm fairly new to wikipedia and recently wrote an article about Romanian DJ and Producer duo Livio & Roby which included their live act Premiesku. I have just seen that it has been deleted and was wondering if you could advise on how i can improve it so that i can get the article back up? Ashleyc1990 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 09:44, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

  • Hi Ashley. In order to ensure that the article would survive a deletion nomination, you have to make sure that you have included several reliable, independent sources. They do not need to be in English (Romanian sources are fine), but they must be from sources which are independent of the subject and have a history of fact checking. No blogs, no Youtube comments, etc. To help you get started I can userfy the article into your user space, so that you can work on it without having to worry about another AFD. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:05, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me so quickly Crisco . The sources i used were major electronic publications such as Resident Advisor, Mix Mag and DJ Magazine. Are these not the sort of sources i am supposed to use? Ashleyc1990 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 10:12, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

  • The issue with those sources, based on what I can see, is not that they were not reliable, or not independent, but that the coverage was not in-depth. Do you speak any Romanian? That would probably help find some sources which go into detail about these DJs. Or do you have access to other sources? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:20, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

I have a lot more sources on Premiesku. How can i access the article so that i can add them? Ashleyc1990 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 11:37, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

  • Ashley, I can restore the article to User:Ashleyc1990/Livio & Roby for you to work on, if you want. But you'd have to promise me to not move it back into main space until someone else has checked to see if the issues brought up at the AFD have been addressed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:08, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Crisco, i won't move it back until you have confirmed that it is fit to go back up. I dont want it to be taken down again :) Ashleyc1990 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 13:20, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Help with merge, please

Hi there,

Could you help me with this Parrog to Newport, Pembrokeshire merge, please? I haven't done it before and find the merge help page a little confusing. I don't want to mess it up. Thanks and regards, Tony Holkham (talk) 10:06, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

  • Sure, let me have a few minutes. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:08, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
Wow, that was quick. Thank you. I can see what you did to redirect Parrog, and the text from Parrog is now in Newport, Pembrokeshire. Presumably I can now edit the destination para, deleting the index ref (5) which will remain in history? Tony Holkham (talk) 10:19, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
  • You can remove the reference, but it would be better (per WP:V) to actually have a reference that supports this information. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:56, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
Understood. The destination article needs quite a bit of work, and I plan to do that soon. Thanks again for your very kind help. Tony Holkham (talk) 11:33, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Don't mention it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:06, 16 April 2014 (UTC)


I've made a few tweaks since you've voted; please check you still support. Cheers! Adam Cuerden (talk) 15:22, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

  • Looks even better. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:23, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
    • That was the intent, glad to hear it worked. =) Adam Cuerden (talk) 15:35, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
      • Indeed it did. Say, have you had any luck with "Dream of the Fisherman's Wife"? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:38, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
        • My mother's visiting. I thought I'd best wait until she's left. Adam Cuerden (talk) 21:47, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
          • LOL, makes sense. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:04, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Bonus pictures

Hafspajen (talk) 18:23, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

  • Don't think I like these as much (with my FPC hat on). The paintings in general don't appear to have the original colours (just based on what I can see at thumbnail), but then again I've never seen any of these in person. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:10, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

NO, wasn't thinking of nominating any of them. Just for fun. Hafspajen (talk) 08:11, 17 April 2014 (UTC)


Hi Crisco. Might you take another look at your close here? I don't think there was consensus support for a merge among the !voters (please especially read the !vote of one whose !vote for merging was conditional on an event that did not take place prior to your close). I would have no problem with a redirect. In addition to the !vote not reflecting consensus to merge, there is a policy consideration (as discussed at the AfD). The article is completely unsourced, was challenged as such via tag, and fails wp:v. All of it should therefore not be created without inline citations (all challenged text can be deleted per wp:v, and should not thereafter be restored without inline RS cites). Thanks for reconsidering. If there is a redirect, of course anyone could create whatever RS-supported text they want to at the redirect page.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:26, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

  • I was going on WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES and the merge !votes, but if you take issue with my closure, I can close it as delete and then just make a redirect as an editorial decision. The existence of the school, which would be a prerequisite for WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, is not in doubt (as with their website), though it is clear that the school is not considered notable enough for Wikipedia (as you say in your deletion argument, for a stand alone article). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:09, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
    I think that your suggestion is a good one, and doesn't run afoul of wp:outcomes or of the !vote. I just think the recreation via merge of material that falls short of wp:v, and which has been challenged, is best avoided. Thanks much.Epeefleche (talk) 01:11, 17 April 2014 (UTC)


Hey Crisco 1492. I just wanted to see if you would be willing to take a look at this FAC. I contact you because you have reviewed some of my previous FACs and I would value your input on this one. Cheers. → Call me Hahc21 22:47, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

  • I'll see if I have time. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:04, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
    • Thanks! → Call me Hahc21 01:12, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Need a user blocked

IP address seems to like reinserting the fluff material on The College of New Jersey--a one-track editor, and then accusing the people who are removing the self-promotional crap of being vandals and sockpuppets. Detestable fella, indeed.--ColonelHenry (talk) 00:09, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

  • Warned. If s/he reverts again, it's time for a little holiday. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:14, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Many thanks for your looks like Hahc21 didn't let 174.IP get a chance to try again.--ColonelHenry (talk) 00:22, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
  • But seems to be of a similar bent... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:37, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
  • I was just about to say that...didn't know someone could change their IP that fast. could it be 174IP editing under a proxy?--ColonelHenry (talk) 00:38, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Dynamic IPs or meatpuppets? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:42, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
One geolocates to Brooklyn, the other to New Jersey. Hmm... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:44, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Very possibly meatpuppets... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:44, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Tempted to think a meatpuppet, or someone who didn't get too much of a smarting pain from his first slap on the wrist.--ColonelHenry (talk) 00:45, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
@ColonelHenry: I am willing to do a short-term semi if it (or they?) persist. → Call me Hahc21 01:11, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
  • @Hahc21:, the pattern of editing is rather suspect...especially how they magically popped in to do the same work right after you blocked the other one. I defer to your judgment.--ColonelHenry (talk) 02:09, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Seta Dadoyan

Hey Crisco, if you have a moment, could you please have a quick look at this nomination and the article? Won't take but two minutes. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 04:01, 17 April 2014 (UTC)


this I could think of nominating...

We don't have any of pictures by Julius LeBlanc Stewart, Thomas Heaphy Edouard Marie Guillaume Dubufe (Edouard Dubufe) and possibly Auguste Toulmouche and Daniel Hernandez Morillo Daniel Hernández (painter). Will you upload them if it is possible? Some of them are quite nice, it would be fun to have more of these. Hafspajen (talk) 08:16, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

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