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Case Created Last volunteer edit Last modified
Title Status User Time User Time User Time
T-54/55 6Resolved Katangais (t) 139674528017 days, 17 hours ago Keithbob (t) 13981149601 day, 20 hours ago Keithbob (t) 13981149601 day, 20 hours ago
Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting 7Closed Lightbreather (t) 139726494011 days, 16 hours ago Keithbob (t) 13981150801 day, 20 hours ago Keithbob (t) 13981150801 day, 20 hours ago
Assembly of the Community of Serbian municipali... 4NeedAssist Heracletus (t) 13976112007 days, 16 hours ago MrScorch6200 (t) 13980331202 days, 19 hours ago MrScorch6200 (t) 13980331202 days, 19 hours ago
Aurora, Cayuga County, New York 7Closed Happy Attack Dog mobile (t) 13978622404 days, 18 hours ago Theodore! (t) 139822098015 hours ago Theodore! (t) 139822098015 hours ago
Davido 8Failed Versace1608 (t) 13981651201 day, 6 hours ago Kutsuit (t) 13982562005 hours ago Kutsuit (t) 13982562005 hours ago
David Camm 1New Bali88 (t) 139820316020 hours ago None n/a Overagainst (t) 13982479207 hours ago
Southern Poverty Law Center 1New Mrdthree (t) 13982471408 hours ago None n/a Mrdthree (t) 13980873602 days, 4 hours ago
Last updated by EarwigBot operator / talk at 18:01, 23 April 2014 (UTC)



Current disputes

T-54/55

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Filed by Katangais on 00:48, 6 April 2014 (UTC).

Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting

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Filed by Lightbreather on 01:09, 12 April 2014 (UTC).

Assembly of the Community of Serbian municipalities

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Filed by Heracletus on 01:20, 16 April 2014 (UTC).

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

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We disagree with User:Qwerty786 over the article of this Assembly and the article of Association of Serbian municipalities, Kosovo. The Assembly mentioned is the assembly of the association mentioned. Initially, this association was backed by Serbian and not recognised by Kosovo Albanian authorities. Then, the two governments agreed on such an association in the Brussels Agreement (2013) which would have the exact structure as the previous one. For me this means that the new envisaged association and assembly are clear continuations of the old ones. Furthermore, the Agreement mentions that Serbian-backed courts and police in North Kosovo will be integrated in the Pristina organised judicial and police structures. The exact details of implementation are still under negotiation. Although the Agreement is intended as a compromise and tries to be as neutral as possible mentioning integrations and mergings, User:Qwerty786 keeps repeating that "Serbian structures are abolished" and thus proceeded to remove referenced material from these pages about the previous institutions, association/community and assembly. Even if one agrees that the previous institutions were abolished and not integrated or merged, even though this is contrary to the language of the Agreement, this does not mean that we should vanish all information about the past institutions from wikipedia. Even though, I kept saying this and making the articles representing the new institutions while also mentioning the past ones, and even though the article is under the ArbCom's Balkans decision, the user reverted thrice the page of the Assembly, in order to make the according to him "abolished" past institutions vanish, clearly pushing a POV. It was clearly mentioned that these past institutions were supported by Serbia and not by Kosovo Albanians or UNMIK and that when negotiations are over the new ones will take over. We kept talking about this in our talk pages, but to no avail.

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

I tried talking to the user on his talk page, explaining what content I wanted to change and why. I did some changes that I think were clearly NPOV, supporting neither side. I tried explaining why his changes were POV. I made a section on the articles' talk pages. I tried asking another user who reverted to provide an opinion on ways to resolve, but he just refused. And, I also tried to get more opinions by posting on wikiprojects Serbia and Kosovo.

How do you think we can help?

Obviously, an Agreement that would dissolve something and set something almost exactly similar, would mean that one is the continuation of the other, for example the EU and the European Communities. However, this Agreement does not explicitly dissolve anything, it is formulated to integrate, merge & conciliate, being a compromise. Even if it did dissolve, this is no reason to remove again and again referenced material just because something may no longer exist. I want to reach a NPOV consensus.



Summary of dispute by Qwerty786

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I am posting the facts of this entire situation. The Brussels deal is about abolishing all Government of Serbia institutions in Kosovo. This of course includes the Assembly of Municipalities that was formed on the basis of Serbia organized elections in 2008. Just like the police and court systems have been or in the process of being abolished so will all the structures formed from the illegal parallel elections of 2008. The new Assembly of Serbian municipalities can't have the same structure was the assembly formed in 2008 as the result of those elections. The 2013 elections will result in a new assembly that really has nothing to do with the assembly formed as a result of the elections of 2008. Just because two institutions have the word assembly attached doesn't mean they are related in any way. The assembly that will be created soon as a result of Serbs voting in Kosovo run elections doesn't cover the same territory have the same voting methods and more. They are of no relation. Heracletus is trying to push a POV that is not grounded in the reality of what is going on and seems intent on saying even what Belgrade and Serbia isn't saying! Serbia agreed to the Bruseels deal which abolished all Serbian government institutions in Kosovo which includes the now inactive assembly that will very shortly be formally abolished.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2008&mm=06&dd=28&nav_id=51459

This article is very important because it talks about 26 municipalities. How can the structure be the same if it is going from 26 to 5 or 6? The structure used is radically different. The municipalities used in the Serbia organized elections don't even exist now in Kosovo law.

The issues of the use of the term Metohija was abolished in Brussels! All you have to do is read the Brussels agreement. Qwerty786 (talk) 20:01, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Assembly of the Community of Serbian municipalities discussion

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24-hour closing notice

Aurora, Cayuga County, New York

Southern Poverty Law Center

Southern Poverty Law Center

Summary of dispute by Mrdthree

The SPLC monitors antigovernment patriot groups. I wanted to add a hyperlink to antigovernment because I found the term confusing. However initially antigovernment was just a redirect to anti-statism. We mostly agreed that was not the meaning SPLC had in mind. So I researched it and made antigovernment a disambiguation page. Two issues came out of this: (1) Is antigovernment a proper disambiguation page or is it a short article (does it have the right style for a disambiguation page?). (2) If it is a disambiguation page does the edit fail because WP:D (linking to a disambiguation page is bad style?). Mrdthree (talk) 13:36, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Well, a disambiguation page "lists articles associated with the same title". I'd say that it could be edited into a short article, and you should try it or at least let WP:Wikiproject Politics know about it. Origamite\(·_·\)(/·_·)/ 16:37, 23 April 2014 (UTC)


This is a poor choice for disambiguation ... I suggest a link to Wiktionary where the term is defined. Collect (talk) 18:12, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Davido

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Filed by Versace1608 on 11:12, 22 April 2014 (UTC).

David Camm

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Filed by Bali88 on 21:46, 22 April 2014 (UTC).

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

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Dispute overview

Another editor is telling me that a BLP violation exists, but will not describe the way in which it violates BLP. I don't see anything wrong with the section involved and cannot fix it or avoid the same problem in the future without knowing what I'm doing wrong.

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

discussion on talk page

How do you think we can help?

I would like someone to weigh in on whether the section violates BLP and if it does, explain what the problem is and how I can fix it.

Summary of dispute by Overagainst

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I rewrote the lede. What I took out was a section that read like a personal reflection about prosecution allegations about a living person. This section (which he has given below) is not encyclopedic in tone or content about the molestation allegations. For instance, the Molestation section concluded " the cause of Jill's injuries remain a mystery,". Bbb23 had pointed out to Bali88 many problems with the general tone in Jan 2014, here. The allegation molestation is mentioned in three places in the article currently, my edit, so I'm not objecting to reasonable proportionate mentioning. I just don't think it's right to have, a long section especially with that tone. I have cited WP:ALIVE, and objected to the tone, weight and excessive detail, and I provided quotes as examples. Bali88says that he wants to compromise, but that I am not explaining what is wrong with the article. I think I have done that repeatedly and Bali88's edits are are indeed as as Bbb23 said overly detailed analysis and WP:UNDUE. Overagainst (talk) 10:12, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Oops, was this supposed to be where he writes stuff? Bali88 (talk) 00:30, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

The following section allegedly contains a BLP violation . It is well sourced, necessary to understand the case, and neutral. I do not see any issue. Can someone give feedback:

The molestation allegations remain controversial and there is little consensus as to the cause of Jill's injuries. In the first two trials, the prosecution accused Camm of causing the injuries. Boney's DNA was subsequently found on the clothing of both Kim and Jill, including an area on the stomach of Jill Camm's shirt. This finding contradicts his assertion that he never touched the victims. It was argued at the third trial that Boney was solely responsible for the substantial amount of injuries they sustained in the deadly attack.[38][63]

Confusion over the nature of the injuries began early in the investigation. The probable cause affidavit listed the injury as a "tear" even though the nature of the injury was listed as non-specific blunt force trauma on the autopsy report and her hymen was intact.[11] Dr. Tracey Corey, the medical examiner who performed the initial autopsy, stated that the injuries could have resulted from a number of causes including a straddle fall, but she believed the injuries were likely the result of a sexual assault. She believed that the injuries occurred within the last few hours of Jill's life, including the time of the fatal attack.[64][65]

Determining the timing of the injuries was crucial to the case and became a major factor in Camm's second conviction. Investigators confirmed that Camm had not seen Jill all day. She had been at school and sports practices and Camm had been at work. During the second trial, the prosecution used the molestation allegations to implicate Camm. An injury sustained at the time of attack could have just as easily been caused by Boney, who admits being at the crime scene, but the prosecution believed that an attack sustained earlier puts greater suspicion on Camm. With Camm's alibi, the varying opinions on blood spatter, and no additional proof that Camm and Boney ever met, convincing the jury that Camm was molesting Jill became the crucial to the state's case to demonstrate motive.[65][66] To attempt to link the injuries to Camm during the second trial, Dr. Betty Spivack, a medical examiner hired by the prosecution, testified that Jill could have sustained the injury up to two days prior to her death. A number of medical examiners testified, but she was the sole medical examiner to testify to the extended timeline and that the injuries happened prior to the fatal attack.[65]

The defense accused Spivack of altering her testimony to appease the prosecution rather than testifying to her own expert opinion. "Dr. Spivack, before in her deposition, told us that the injuries occurred near the time of death due to the painful nature of them. Today, on the stand, she backtracked to fit the state's theory." said Defense attorney Stacy Uliana.[66] Following the verdict, the jurors explained that they made their decision largely on the molestation allegations, specifically, the testimony of Spivack.[67]

Medical examiner Dr. George Nichols, who testified for the defense, disagreed with the state's theory. He said that the lack of white blood cells indicated that the injury was very recent and the trauma was much more likely to have been caused by being hit or kicked. A late addition to the witness list, he testified that he felt compelled to testify after Spivack's timeline for the attack inexplicably changed and she became increasingly certain it was a sexual assault despite Jill's intact hymen.[38][65] The lack of evidence linking Camm to the molestation led directly to the reversal of the guilty verdict. The supreme court stated: "Missing from this record is any competent evidence of the premise that the defendant molested the child."[40]

Complicating matters is an allegation by DNA analyst Lynn Scamahorn claiming the prosecutor attempted to get her to commit perjury by testifying that a specific stain on a comforter from the master bedroom in the Camm household contained vaginal secretions or saliva from Jill to help bolster their claims that Jill had been molested. No such test exists.[68]

The nature and the cause of Jill's injuries remain a mystery, as well does the time frame in which they happened. Camm denies ever abusing his daughter and has never been charged with any molestation-related offense.[69]

David Camm discussion

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Southern Poverty Law Center

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Filed by Mrdthree on 09:59, 23 April 2014 (UTC).

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

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Users involved

Dispute overview

The SPLC monitors antigovernment patriot groups. I wanted to add a hyperlink to antigovernment because I found the term confusing. However initially antigovernment was just a redirect to anti-statism. We mostly agreed that was not the meaning SPLC had in mind. So I researched it and made antigovernment a disambiguation page. Two issues came out of this: (1) Is antigovernment a proper disambiguation page or is it a short article (does it have the right style for a disambiguation page?). (2) If it is a disambiguation page does the edit fail because WP:D (linking to a disambiguation page is bad style?). Mrdthree (talk) 13:36, 21 April 2014 (UTC)


Have you tried to resolve this previously?

argued. Read rules. INitially it was called an overlink but I think that might be resolved. Currently linking to antigovernment is being called WP:D.

How do you think we can help?

Is the antigovernment page a disambiguation page or a stub? Can I make the antigovernment page a disambiguation page? If antigovernment is a disambiguation page can I link to it from the Southern Poverty Law Center article? (does it violate WP:D)

Summary of dispute by The_Four_Deuces

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Summary of dispute by Malik_Shabazz

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Southern Poverty Law Center discussion

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