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April 21

File I uploaded but cannot find

I uploaded a picture and did not use it right away. I had wikipedia open in two separate browsers, one of which had the picture links and the other of which had the articles I was uploading into.

I closed the picture links browser and later found the article I wanted to upload the picture into but I can no longer find the link. I have previously tried to upload the same picture twice and had it rejected as a duplicate.

I would like to find the link to the other picture. I have tried looking in my uploads and contributions and it does not appear since I did not actually copy the link into an article. What can be done? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Feddacheenee (talkcontribs) 01:13, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

The upload log doesn't depend on the file being used. Many files are uploaded to Commons which has separate logs from the English Wikipedia. Is it shown at commons:Special:Contributions/Feddacheenee? PrimeHunter (talk) 01:36, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
The warning messages on both Wikipedia and Commons provide a link to the file that is being duplicated or overwritten. You should be able to find the file from that. SpinningSpark 12:21, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

I found them, thank you for your help. Feddacheenee (talk) 15:25, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Search within articles belonging to a WikiProject

Is there any way to search within articles belonging to a particular WikiProject? For example, could I find all articles containing the word "stem" whose talk pages belong to Category:WikiProject Fungi articles? (CatScan doesn't seem to search for text strings, and also handles articles separately to their talk pages.) Adrian J. Hunter(talkcontribs) 02:06, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

I could do this for you with AWB, but I hope someone comes up with a better answer. AWB can create or import a list of the 10K articles in the category; and using the AWB database scanner I could create a list of the 25K articles that mentioned the word "stem", as of April 2nd, the date of my downloaded database dump; and AWB has a tool that can intersect two lists. Messy! -- John of Reading (talk) 08:16, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
The problem here is that the pages you are trying to search are not actually in the Wikiproject category (it is the talk page that is in the category) so no search string is going to work. You can search based on a category that is in the article. The search stem incategory:fungi seems to work, but it does not include the subcategories so each one would have to be searched separately. SpinningSpark 12:08, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Cool, thanks for the replies. John – no need to go to that much effort, as I've come up with an easy way to generate a list that's close enough to what I was looking for: searching stem gills cap, "gills" and "cap" being descriptive terms that would usually be present in fungus articles containing the word "stem". Adrian J. Hunter(talkcontribs) 23:21, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

How to expand?

Hi, can somebody point out to me how to expand, the bottom template, Atmospheric, oceanographic and climate models at General Circulation Model, thanks. prokaryotes (talk) 07:18, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

I have edited the template so that the "state" parameter now works. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:51, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank You, John prokaryotes (talk) 09:32, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

iron maiden album cover art work

I realize that I may be out of my element, but would love to see a page developed for the illustrations of Iron Maiden's albums. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:01, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Is that a subject that has received significant coverage by reliable third party sources?-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:24, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
We've already got one. See Eddie the Head. --Jayron32 14:30, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

mistake in list of activated military aircrafts of india

List of active Indian military aircraft (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)

hi sir,

IN HELICOPTER SECTION INDIA HAS ALSO GOT 22 AH 64 APACHE HELICOPTERS PLEASE DO WRITE IT. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harsaxena (talkcontribs) 12:20, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

If you have a reliable source for this you can add the fact to the article yourself. Be sure to add a cite to your reference. If you do not have a source then no one here is going to add it for you. SpinningSpark 16:53, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

naming convention for new article.

I am writing (ok, going to write) and article on the Alexander Brothers, not to be confused with the Alexander Brothers. My article is about a pop music duo that recorded for Mercury Records in the early 1950s, and had a charted hit with Goodnight Irene. What would be the best practice for naming this article? Alexander Brothers (Mercury Records artists), Alexander Brothers (1950s), Alexander Brothers (USA)? Thanks! 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 14:58, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Alexander Brothers says they are from Scotland and have been performing since the 1950s, so "1950s" would be a poor disambiguator. Readers are not expected to know the record label but when your subjects are not Scottish, nationality is good. We don't write the name of the country, and if we have to add nationality then the profession is also there. I suggest Alexander Brothers (American musicians). The search intitle:"American musician" finds other examples like that (although only for single musicians). PrimeHunter (talk) 16:44, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Help with getting permission for image through Wiki commons and Wikipedia


I am seeking help for obtaining permission to use a photo for a page on wikipedia. I looked at the page to put a image to a wikipedia page and followed all the instructions. I uploaded the image to wiki commons, got permission from the original owner of the photo and also sent a email to the permissions email, I then put a tag on the wikipedia page and then the photo uploaded fine and everything. However, the next day the photo was removed by a admin from wiki commons because he claims that I lack license even though I had sent a email and got confirmation.Of course the image then got deleted from the wikipedia page also. I do not know what to do next since I followed all the steps. The photo is for the article "T.J. Warren" if anybody could help that would be great. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WhatsDefeat (talkcontribs) 15:51, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

commons:File:Tj warren in the NCAA tournament.jpeg was uploaded to Commons as you say. That means it must be dealt with there regardless where the image was used. Wikipedia administrators like me cannot undelete files at Commons, or see which license information was on the deleted file page. You can try asking at commons:Commons:Village pump/Copyright, or wait to see whether a Commons admin happens to see your post here. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:32, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
See Commons:OTRS which explains how to verify you have permission to use an image. The OTRS ticket system can be used on Wikipedia also. SpinningSpark 17:13, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Whipple's disease

Whipple's disease (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)

How can I introduce the new references Nr. 9 and 10 in the d list of references concerning Whipple's disease?

edite≤ref≥9 Feurle GE et al. Gastroenterology 2010;138:478-486 and ≤ref≥10 Feurle GE et al. Journal of Infection 2013; 66:263-270 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerhard E. Feurle (talkcontribs) 16:28, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

@Gerhard E. Feurle:I've fixed it for you. Your mistakes were that the reference needs to be added at the place you want it to be referred, not in the references section, the numbering is done automatically by the system, not by you, and ref names cannot be a number. In any case you only need to name them if you want to use them in several places.
In my opinion the material you have inserted is not written in the style of an encyclopaedia with a general reader in mind. I am inclined to restore the paragraph you removed in the treatment section which at least has the benefit of being easily readable. I also note that you seem to be citing your own work and you should consider whether you have a conflict of interest here. SpinningSpark 17:38, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

copyright license and evidence of license for a free use photo to be shared on the creative commons

This is a question about the copyright of a photo I would like to use in the article It regards a photographic portrait of a painter which I owned and donated to the collection in his name at the Dominican Studies Institute of the City University of New York.

The photo is not published in any work. I have an email from the archivist at the Dominican Studies Institute Archives telling me that the photo can go up on the Wikipedia Commons, that is, can go into the creative commons but that I should caption it: Portrait of Tito Enrique Cánepa,ca. 1942. The Dominican Studies Institute Archives, The Tito Enrique Cánepa Collection.

It has proven impossible for me to understand what choices to make in the file upload wizard.

I have assumed:

1) This is a free work 2) This file was given to me by its owner

I then fill out the information on the 3) owner/author, date of creation, source and permission.

Then, under "The copyright owner has chosen the following license", I can choose 4) "Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (If I choose "public domain" there is a law that has to be cited. This probably does not apply)

However, it is impossible for me to understand what choice I should make under 5) "Evidence" (choices include "The license statement can be found online at", "The license agreement has been forwarded to Wikimedia's copyright service at ....", "The license hasn't yet been forwarded, but I will do so shortly or ask the owner to send it himself", or "I haven't got the evidence right now, but I will provide some if requested to do so."

None of these "Evidence" choices apply, unless I am to say that I am asking the owner to send the license to "permissions-en AT" but this seems complicated and may not be applicable.

Can you please advise? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ercan1 (talkcontribs) 16:29, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

@Ercan1: First of all, this is Wikipedia, not Commons, and we have no power over Commons decisions. You seem to be very unclear over who actually owns the copyright of this work. The copyright is usually owned by the person who made the work (that is, the photographer in this case). If that is not you then you do not own the copyright and are not able to grant Wikimedia a licence, even if you are the owner of the actual work. You must get permission from the person who does have copyright. Once you have that you should be in a position to follow one of the options at the Commons upload. SpinningSpark 17:51, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Bobcat Bite, Old Vegas highway

This place had to close due to a contract problem with the property owner.

They relocated in the heart of Santa Fe and changed their name to SANTA FE BITE.

Their menu is the same as it was before. The restaurant shares the property with a Hotel, and serves breakfast only on Sundays but continues with their lunch and dinner menu. Steaks, chops, and burgers, [including their infamous 16oz burger cooked to perfection]. as before. I might add they are doing more business because the place is larger and hold many more customers.

The Bob Cat was on the page that contained New Mexican Cuisine at the very bottom.

Dick Daniels — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doork (talkcontribs) 17:21, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

The article New Mexican cuisine does indeed mention Bobcat Bite in the See Also section. The latter page mentions that the restaurant's website redirects to the Sante Fe Bite Downtown restaurant. If you have reliable sources supporting this information (and most of the references on the existing page are definitely not reliable), you can add it there yourself. Rojomoke (talk) 17:36, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

How to Email the Good Friday Article

How can I email a article (Good Friday) from your website to my friend? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert165 (talkcontribs) 17:29, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

The simplest way is to send your friend the URL (the page's address). That would be Rojomoke (talk) 17:40, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

make a page

Hi Could you make a page for this book in Wikipedia, plaease. Me and My Friend President Obama: Concise memos of my cooperations with The White House and CIA Publication Date: April 3, 2014 ASIN: B00JGZX3ZY (ISBN-13: 978-1499129533 ASIN: B00JSVU7NW) (talk) 19:56, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

No. Not without evidence that the book meets our notability guidelines (specifically Wikipedia:Notability (books)). Which it doesn't. Incidentally, since you are clearly User:Peyman Ghasemi (the author of this book, I note), please sign in next time you post to Wikipedia. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:05, 21 April 2014 (UTC)


Re Category:Religious skeptics, James Randi is skeptical of religion but he is not religious, so religious skeptic is inaccurate. Shouldn't we say Religion skeptics, or maybe Skeptics of religion? Should it be renamed? Moriori (talk) 22:21, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

I think you want Wikipedia:Categories for discussion. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:56, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
OK. But guess why I came here? Because, at the Category:Religious skeptics talk page where I first went, it has two banners, both saying "Attention Talk pages in this namespace are generally not watched by many users. Please consider visiting the Help desk for a more prompt response or reviewing the Categorization FAQ for quick tips.". Moriori (talk) 23:42, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
A religious skeptic need no more be religious, than a child psychiatrist need be a child. Maproom (talk) 22:58, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
The word child is a noun whereas religious is an adjective. The correct comparison would be a childish psychiatrist which no longer makes your point. However, religion skeptic is not a normal construction in English, I would take some convincing that it is ever used at all. SpinningSpark 23:32, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Gosh. In "religious skeptic" the word "religious" is an adjective, describing the skeptic. That's not what is meant, and I think Randi et al would be tickled pink to see Wikipedia label them as being religious. Moriori (talk) 23:42, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
EC. Spinningspark, you have admirably made my point for me. Yes, exactly, a childish psychiatrist is a psychiatrist who is childish. And, a religious skeptic is a skeptic who is religious. Agreed, "religion skeptic" is odd English. Did you miss the bit where I mentioned "Skeptics of religion"? Moriori (talk) 00:13, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Googling "religious skeptic" and "religion skeptic" both get hits, but not many of the latter actually contain the noun phrase "religion skeptic" (they mostly have punctuation between the words), and of those that do, most relate to one man, Paul Kurtz. "Religious skeptic" clearly has some currency, and seems to have wider currency than "religion skeptic". Whether the various people described as "religious skeptic" meet your definition of what the phrase should mean I haven't checked; but it seems clear to me that "religious skeptic" is a much more common phrase than "religion skeptic", and so is the appropriate phrase for a Wikipedia title. In my view your analysis of the phrase is irrelevant: words and phrases mean what they are used and understood to mean, not what somebody thinks they should mean. --ColinFine (talk) 17:51, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

How to reinstate an article?

How to remove the {{prod blp}} tag from an article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zinjanous (talkcontribs) 22:28, 21 April 2014‎

Physically, you remove it by removing the content that make up the notice. Appropriately, you remove it AFTER you provide third party reliable sources that discuss the subject in a significant manner. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:45, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
I'd say: First check the Wikipedia Policies to see is it doesn’t conflict with things like Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest. Then come back here.--Aspro (talk) 22:49, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Once it has already been deleted, you can follow the process under WP:REFUND. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:50, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

April 22

Sign showing LCCN error when there is none?

I created a page recently (Japanese minesweeper W-10). On the page, I used an LCCN book number. Despite me using the number given in the book, and finding the book I meant to find when clicking on the given link, it shows an error. Is there any way to get rid of that?Cnd474747 (talk) 01:03, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

I have replaced the hyphen by a 0 in lccn.[1] See LCCN#Format. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:42, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. I couldn't find that.Cnd474747 (talk) 02:17, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

How to remove unwanted period after footnote

There is an extra period after the first footnote in this section of this article I've been trying to remove it, but the reference in the infobox looks the same as all the others. My own fiddling with it has had no success. Assistance in its removal would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:19, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Fixed.[2] It was tricky because the stray right-to-left embedding characters had a rendering effect in another place than their location. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:13, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Kaali Venkat Page Deleted

Hi Team,

I have created a page for my brother Kaali Venkat, and I have followed all the standards of Wiki Guidelines, I want to get Back my post,

Kaali Venkat — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avskishore (talkcontribs) 05:58, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

To have an article on Wikipedia, a subject must meet our notability guideline. If you can provide reliable sources showing your brother is notable then make another request at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion. This will be much more persuasive than your previous request which gave as an undeletion reason merely that he is your brother. However, you have made it doubly difficult by repeatedly posting the same article after it was deleted causing the page to be locked. You also have conflict of interest as you are the subject's brother and you should read the policy I linked. SpinningSpark 08:32, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
On the other hand, the latest version of the article did make a credible assertion of the subject's importance/significance, with a role in Thegidi, also listing some other films with articles. The page should not have been speedied, in my opinion. I do second the concerns about COI/lack of references, however. decltype (talk) 13:16, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Is this an appropriate use of a Talk page?

I came across a Talk page (MasterMind5991) that has many comments/discussions that don't seem to me to be relevant to a Talk page; more like some kind of blog or quiz. I am just curious as to whether others think this is an appropriate use of a Wikipedia talk page? Cheers. Melbourne3163 (talk) 07:26, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Not to mention they got question 4 wrong. The real answer is, "Who cares." - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 07:46, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Blatant inappropriate use of talk page per WP:NOT. Quoted from WP:TALK "...the purpose of user talk pages is to draw the attention or discuss the edits of a user. Wikipedia is not a social networking site, and all discussion should ultimately be directed solely toward the improvement of the encyclopedia." --Glaisher [talk] 08:25, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
The talk page of their partner in this should also be looked into then, User talk:TheGRVOfLightning. Dismas|(talk) 08:31, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

It appears that the page I highlighted (MasterMind5991) and TheGRVOfLightning both constitute inappropriate use of talk pages. What is the next step, is it to report the matter to administrators? Melbourne3163 (talk) 23:30, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

I've warned both of them, and deleted the (considerable) number of user subpages they had created in order to chat, write quizzes for each other and generally UPNOT all over the place. Yunshui  12:32, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. Cheers. Melbourne3163 (talk) 18:14, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Search feature down

I'm out of luck using the search feature of the Reference Desk, for about 1 hour now.

An error has occurred while searching: The search backend returned an error:

And that's all I get.

The contents of the search field:

news blurred images prefix:Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives

The URL:

Any ideas? - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 08:09, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

@One.Ouch.Zero: Could you enable New search/CirrusSearch at Beta features. This will hopefully solve the problem. --Glaisher [talk] 08:16, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. This somehow did the trick (is it related to "news" being in too many sections?) and the section I wanted to revisit was return #2.
Something unrelated: is the "ping" feature official now? It's really useful for navigating back through multi-topic pages like WP:HD, WP:RD/*, and long talk pages. - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 13:24, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
@One.Ouch.Zero: I don't know about the details but many users have reported the same problem with the "previous" search engine. And yes, the "ping" feature has been official for quite a while now. See WP:ECHO and this blog post for details about it. --Glaisher [talk] 16:09, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, again.
Resolved: - ¡Ouch! (hurt me / more pain) 06:03, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

wonder category

Why doesn’t Wikipedia have a category containing wonders? -- (talk) 08:04, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

What do you mean by wonders? HiLo48 (talk) 08:06, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Wonders of the World, perhaps. It has been repatedly deleted per community discussions. Initially, it was nominated for deletion on 2004. See Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Category:Wonders of the World; there was no clear consensus though. Then deleted per Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Category:Wonders of the World2. Latest discussion was Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 August 28#Category:Wonders of the world 2. --Glaisher [talk] 08:10, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

How to get my page accepted?


I've tried all sorts of improvement for:

It's about a musicfestival in the Netherlands. I've looked at other festivals and they have the same information/sources etc. and they did get accepted. Can you give me some advice on what to do?


Koen Graat — Preceding unsigned comment added by KGraat (talkcontribs) 10:03, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

It has already been declined because
  1. it is not adequately supported by reliable sources.
  2. it is not adequately supported by reliable sources.
  3. its references do not adequately evidence its notability
  4. its references do not adequately evidence its notability
Perhaps you should try adding references to reliable sources that establish its notability. Maproom (talk) 11:01, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello, KGraat. Wikipedia policy requires that information in articles be verified by independent sources, such as news reports, books, magazines articles, music reviews, etc. Take a look at this article: Tottenham Bluegrass Festival. It's a just a starter article, but it already includes references from several newspapers and websites not connected to the festival. Your draft article so far has only one source besides the festival website, and it appears to be a press release from a music promoter, not a neutral, independent source. If the November Music Festival is a notable festival, then newspapers, magazines and online review websites will have written about it, and you can find these reports and add references to them. (Sorry, I wrote this before reading Maproom's reply so there is some duplication.) —Anne Delong (talk) 11:04, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Where's the tool that shown most edited pages by specific user?

There used to be one, previously it was attached with the tool that shows post count.[3] Right now, I can't find it anywhere around. Bladesmulti (talk) 12:22, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

You've got the right tool. For example, you can see my top edited pages in the 'Top Edited Pages' tab. Note that a user has to opt-in to allow users to see their top-edited articles. If you're looking to do this for yourself, you can do so by simply creating User:Bladesmulti/EditCounterOptIn.js to enable the tool for the English Wikipedia, or User:Bladesmulti/EditCounterGlobalOptIn.js at if you want the opt-in to apply to all Wikimedia projects. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 12:36, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Bladesmulti (talk) 06:30, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

image name

There are two photo files 1,2 that have the identical file name so the second file is not usable. How do we go about? JARA7979 (talk 23:03, 22 April 2014 (KTC)

Either the Wikipedia file must be renamed or the Commons file must be renamed. On Wikipedia, use the move tab, but on Commons, you must request an administrator to do it. Commons do not like renaming files, although they might in this case under their criterion #3, misleading names, especially as the file is not used anywhere. See Commons:File renaming. If you choose to move the Wikipedia file, be sure to check the "what links here" in the sidebar and change the link in all articles using it. SpinningSpark 14:43, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Unlike Spinningspark, ordinary editors at Wikipedia don't have a "Move" tab when looking at a file page. Instead, to rename the file at Wikipedia, follow the instructions at Template:Rename media. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:16, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Uh, sorry. I forgot that needed permission on Wikipedia as well, I've been doing it for so long. SpinningSpark 16:01, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Copyrighted information

Hi I just need to post my company´s information in wikipedia but I got a message regarding copyrighted, what did I do wrong? thanks. Dulce Carrillo-Kuti (talk) 14:26, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

There are messages on your user talk page to explain the situation regarding copyrighted material. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:39, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Revisions not reflected in revision history...

I made an addition to Vidant Health that is now not present nor is there a record in the history. How is this possible?--Wikipietime (talk) 15:04, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps you were logged out when editing and if the addition is not present, that means someone else removed it? --Glaisher [talk] 15:06, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Are you sure that you are not getting confused with the edits you made to Vidant Medical Center? --David Biddulph (talk) 15:09, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
That's probably it. Click "Contributions" at the top to see your edits. Special:Contributions/Wikipietime shows your post [4] about the missing edit matches your edits to Vidant Medical Center. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:00, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

PDF Option?

What happened to the PDF and build a book option? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:39, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Can you access Special:Book? Pretty sure, I couldn't see it either when you posted this. I can see the links on the sidebar now though. --Glaisher [talk] 15:51, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
The whole "Print/export" menu with "Create a book", "Download as PDF", "Printable version" was missing for me but has come back. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:56, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes. That is what I meant. The whole "Print/export" section was missing. No idea why that happened. --Glaisher [talk] 15:58, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Where do I report a this?

Hello there. I would like to report an editor who has used an internet forum to gather support and troops to remove a consensus and target an administrator.Rain the 1 15:41, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

If possible, contact the forum admins and post at WP:ANI. --Glaisher [talk] 15:44, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Ian Quayle Jones

Could someone please review this article for me. Many thanks. Gomach (talk) 17:32, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Is it notable in itself or is it the mini merchant bank Quayle Munro that's important? Looks like some COI to me, flogging promoting the founder. Just saying. Manytexts (talk) 01:38, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Not at all - I have no connection to the company or person. The fact is that he passes WP:GNG by dint of significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Surely editors should be making decisions based on the rules not on their own personal hunches or prejudices. Gomach (talk) 08:45, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

"Reliable sources": Are these reliable video/information sources?

Hello thank you for helping us contributors.
I would like to contribute to the short list of released videos in the article of the 80s rock group The Hooters. Since there are only 2 currently listed, and more can be found via "The Hooters" website as well as TheHootersVevo on YouTube (example video), I'd like to know if these are reliable sources for video information (such as copyright year)?
And if you could maybe recommend what kind of sources would be reliable to cite (or who else to ask), your help would be appreciated. (I do not mean this as a reference question - thanks.)
Bwefler (talk) 18:19, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

The Hooters official web site would be fine for dates of release of various songs, albums, videos, etc. I would shy away from using their YouTube VEVO channel because the songs that a band has on their channel can sometimes change which would lead to us having a link to a video that no longer exists on YouTube in, for example, six months. Dismas|(talk) 18:43, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Dismas. I also noticed info on Bwefler (talk) 19:05, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Also, do entries in a videography / videos list have to show a source citation? Bwefler (talk) 19:10, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
When filmographies for actors are listed, we generally don't reference them because the film itself is its own reference, essentially. Although more obscure films or films that haven't yet been released can be problematic, so in those cases it's best to have some sort of reference for not only the existence but the release dates and titles. e.g. it eliminates arguments about if it's called "Example Film" or "THE Example Film". I would err on the side of caution with something like a band's concert video. Dismas|(talk) 19:33, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

"Super HidrofobicEngineered CementiousComposite"

To Day i have seen in Enadu Daily in Telegu in Andhra Pradesh NEWS ' Washington: concrete was developed by the Wisconsin-Milwaukee university Professors of Civil Engineering devised the above captioned : Cement Concreate in USA stating that it will last for 120 years and shall not give any Crakes. Kindly secure the matter and post it in the Wikipedia .Thank you sir. I am Indian National River Water Utility Ana-list and Author of Inter-Linkage of Indian Rivers.Book not yet published. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:47, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I do not understand what you are asking us to do. Which Wikipedia article do you feel is missing information or has incorrect information? Please wikilink that article for us. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:10, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
I think he is talking about Superhydrophobic Engineered Cementitious Composites for Highway Bridge Applications and would like us to write an article about it. Or possibly add material to an existing article—Hydrophobic concrete looks desperate for more material. You might try Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Civil engineering, someone there might be interested. SpinningSpark 22:06, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Here is a link to the Superhydrophobic Engineered Cementitious Composite developed at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. --Orange Mike | Talk 12:28, 23 April 2014 (UTC)


Hi, I want to add an Art exhibition -Rumpus. that took place two weeks ago in Limerick for Limerick City of Culture, The exhibition was called Rumpus, a printmaking exhibition by 3rd year students. A Rumpus exhibition will now occur every 3 months somewhere different in the country, representing young Irish Printmakers. but it won't let me add it, how do I go about doing this? I tried but it was deleted. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by RumpusX (talkcontribs) 20:03, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Third year of primary school, secondary school, art college, or something else? Even from only a few hundred miles away, it's difficult to tell.
Start with WP:42, also see WP:COI if necessary, then go to WP:AFC once you have collected the independent reliable sources required. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:08, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Ie, is it notable? Is it worthy of putting under a "culture" section in Limerick and, are you just too close to the subject & striving for free publicity? Wikipedia is not a free website for non-notable events, even though it's sure to be a hit all over the country – eventually. Manytexts (talk) 01:32, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Crystal Lake South High School

Hi - After reading the bio on CLS, the last paragraph should be removed as it is a prank in my opinion. It states..

The school now just as any other high school practices the destruction of childrens minds. Forcefully provoking a social structure based on material and work ethic. Instead of the more purposeful expansion of mindfulness, creativity, and a true expansion of an individual on an individual basis.

Thanks (talk) 21:11, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it was vandalism; I've removed it and warned the user who added it. Thanks for reporting, ~huesatlum 21:21, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Editing stubs

Where can you find stubs which desperately need editing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:9:4F80:279:95A2:580E:8757:C48B (talk) 23:51, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Sorry I forgot to log in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cricket rules (talkcontribs) 23:55, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Try this Category:Top-level stub categories RJFJR (talk) 00:15, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cricket rules (talkcontribs) 00:24, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

April 23

Wikipedia loading very slowly

I don't know if this has been brought up before, but for the last few days Wikipedia has been loading very slowly for me. It really is making it nearly impossible for me to read or edit Wikipedia, I've never encountered anything like this before. Pages take several minutes to load and often pictures won't fully load at all (they just get stuck after loading about a quarter of the image). Like, I was trying to view some map files, but they wouldn't display properly so I tried to directly download them instead, but the download is going at 12 kb/s! Is this a problem with Wikipedia itself (like a server issue or something?), or is it something to do with my connection? I should say that I am in Ireland and I have a high-speed broadband connection (no other websites are slow for me). --Hibernian (talk) 00:04, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Working just fine for me on my slow DSL in New York. Jim.henderson (talk) 00:16, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I have had no problems here in Melbourne, Australia. Has been running fine for me. Cheers. Melbourne3163 (talk) 00:20, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
My connection in the UK is fine right now but there have been times when it is dreadfully slow over the last few days. Other websites weren't affected. WP:VPT is a better place to ask about things like this, but yes, it might be server issues in a cluster serving Europe. SpinningSpark 00:28, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

It appears to have fixed itself now (loading speeds back to normal). I'll be back if it does slow again. --Hibernian (talk) 18:53, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Angela Trimbur redirection to Road Rules

Angela Trimbur's page redirects to Road Rules: X-Treme. On the show's page, her name is listed under "Additional Cast". I've never seen the show, but I doubt it's what's she's most known for, neither does the page provide any useful information about the person.

Should I nominate Angela Trimbur for deletion (or edit it blank)? Is that redirection in accord with the guidelines? --Abderrahman (talk) 00:24, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

We seem to accept redirects to the most minimal information on persons, fictional characters, video games, and weapons, potions, or strengths in said video games. I wouldn't bother nominating it as long as the article verifies at least the person exists. Redirects do not have a notability requirement, only that the subject is discussed somewhere on Wikipedia. There might be a better redirect target you could change it to though. She is mentioned in several Wikipedia articles but her IMdB page does not even mention Road Rules (correction:it does mention it but in a rolled up block). SpinningSpark 00:39, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
If I were to create a page for her, that would be a reason to stop redirecting, right? But, in that case, I'll be copying what I find in IMDb or similar sites (since I don't anything about her, and never heard of her or seen one of her movies/show) --Abderrahman (talk) 05:31, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
It's perfectly acceptable to overwrite a redirect with a new article, it's done all the time. However, IMdB is not considered enough to establish notability (and it has questionable reliability for anything other than basic facts such as cast lists), so you should find additional sources to avoid a deletion nomination. There is an de:Angela Trimbur article on German Wikipedia if you are any good at translating German, but again unreferenced. SpinningSpark 08:46, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Since that's the case, I'll leave everything as-is. Thanks SpinningSpark. --Abderrahman (talk) 15:24, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
I have nominated the redirect for deletion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 April 23#Angela Trimbur. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:14, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

automatic underlining in search box

Hi today I entered a topic in the search box & found it underlines as I type along. It also underlines when I click on the box with the undertext Search - the line appears under Search, then attaches to the entry. Can you tell me why this is happening please? Can I turn it off? Thanks in advance. Manytexts (talk) 01:27, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

@Manytexts: I don't know the answer. It would probably be helpful if you told us which browser and version you are using. You could also try turning off any browser extensions or plugins you are using, as that might help to diagnose the problem too. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:16, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Adding more details to List of Stations on subway lines


I was wanting to add more details to the list of stations on subway lines at any place in the world such as its location, station type, etc. Would that be okay, as long as it's reliable and appropriate? Please give me feedback asap. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jchen1999 (talkcontribs) 02:26, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

YES! - but be aware that "reliable and "appropriate" etc have specific applications on Wikipedia, so if your interpretations do not match, your edits may end up being reverted. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 02:37, 23 April 2014 (UTC)


I am trying to email DreamWorks and talk about one of there movies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:22, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

any e-mails you may recieve will not count as appropriate sources. see WP:RS and WP:SELFPUB -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 04:30, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Edit requested for Planes (film) page

I would like to make an edit to the page Planes (film) but the page is semi-protected.

Edit: In the section Voice Cast. The Voice of Rochelle is Jessica Marais not Julia Louis-Dreyfus.

Jessica is listed in the credits of the film and also here is the evidence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LaurenDayMakeup (talkcontribs) 03:27, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

When you attempt to make an edit at the article page it will open up a process that will allow you to place your request on the article's talk page with an appropriate notification. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 04:25, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
When you cannot edit a page, the tab to do this says "View source" instead of "Edit", but I see you have already found a way to make an edit request on the talk page. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:38, 23 April 2014 (UTC)


Can you please contact the army concerning a fraud on Face Book, Skype, and Yahoo using the good name of LT. General James L. Terry, he is claiming to be retiring soon and is looking for a wife. He also claims to have 2 grown children with 3 grand children. Other times claims to be a widow for the past 5 years and has a 13 year old daughter living in GA with her nanny. He stole the good name of the LT. General James L. Terry and is destroying it by scamming woman on the internet, I don't know who to contact to report this abuse of a decorated hero and the abuse of innocent woman who are buying his story. i would love the chance to meet the LT. General Terry but in the real world that will never happen.

If you can't help with exposing this scam can you please tell me who I may contact to help stop this abuse.

Thank You

Kathy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C:2500:5E7:ACC4:4D1E:6ED8:12D9 (talk) 03:27, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 04:22, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Hello, Kathy. TheRedPenOfDoom is right that this page is for asking for help with Wikipedia, not other subjects. But lest you think you've just been palmed off: unfortunately there is nowhere you can go to "stop this abuse": if there were, don't you think it would have been stopped before now? The people who are doing it assuredly have no connection whatever with General Terry or the army, and are probably quite careful to keep their real identities and locations hidden. --ColinFine (talk) 10:30, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
I have added a link to James L. Terry at the Terry (surname) disambiguation page – strange that it wasn't there already. Anyway, I see that most of his talk page is people reporting that he is being impersonated by scammers. I wonder if it would be appropriate to put a notice at the top of the talk page, stating that he is being impersonated, we know about it and regret it, but there is nothing we are able to do about it? Maproom (talk) 16:54, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

RSS/Atom feed

Is there any way to get an RSS/Atom feed of articles that have been prodded? WP:RSS doesn't seem to have anything relevant, so I suspect not, but I've just realized that this is something I'd find really useful. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 10:32, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

You can set up a RSS feed to User:DumbBOT/ProdSummary, that should give you what you want if you just want to know when there are new items. However, dumbbot tends to update a whole chunk of articles at a time so you probably will not be able to see from the RSS feed all the articles that have been added or deleted, only that something has changed. SpinningSpark 15:55, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Hmm, yeah, not perfect but I'll give it a go. Thanks. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 23:58, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Free library

Is considered a credible source of information? Can it be used to provide references in articles? GiraffeBoy (talk) 11:50, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

The answer is apparently "not applicable". Looking through the site, I get the distinct impression that it's a journal aggregator, working basically like JSTOR or EBSCOhost. Nobody cites JSTOR or EBSCOhost — they cite the publications that they provide. In the same way, you shouldn't cite because it's apparently just reproducing other publications. You'll have to evaluate the publications on an individual basis — it looks as if their range of publications is too big to make a single statement about everything. Nyttend (talk) 12:42, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

That makes sense. It seems a better way of finding old newspaper articles, than their own websites, but yes I take your point about citing the actual article than the website itself. I'll be careful to avoid the News of the World and stuff obviously! GiraffeBoy (talk) 12:56, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Same-page links

Place a link from a page to itself, and bold text normally results, e.g. [[Wikipedia:Help desk]] produces Wikipedia:Help desk. The same thing occurs when the link is present on a transclusion; see WP:BRINT for a way this is used in navboxes. With this in mind, why is this not the case with any of the links at the right side of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Order of the Bull's Blood (hoax) (3rd nomination)? You can click the "3rd nomination" link as many times as you wish, but it won't turn black, and yet it's not sending you to a redirect: it goes directly to the page in question, but it remains a link. Nyttend (talk) 12:03, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

The box actually turns Special:Prefixindex/Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Order of the Bull's Blood into a list and pastes the same page as it is. Fauzan✆ talk ✉ email 12:54, 23 April 2014 (UTC)


Greetings, I am a relatively new editor for Wiki. I can't find how to upload a picture to an article? And ashamadely, how to create a totally new page. I've just been adding information and references to existing pages and now am looking to go beyond that. Thank you Meliscar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meliscar (talkcontribs) 14:45, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

The easiest way to upload pictures is probably to use the Commons upload wizard. For starting a new page see WP:My first article. SpinningSpark 15:19, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

have requested several passwords resets over 72 hours and nothing has arrived to my email address

Hi, I was planning to log back in as I need to edit a few pages (url's below) and I prefer do to that logged in.... it's been a few months since I last updated anything. I have, of course, forgotten my password so I requested a reset - waited 24 hours, nothing arrived by email to my email address (which was checked and definitely correct) so I requested another temporary password and again nothing has arrived. Can you please help? Many thanks

MZA (talk) 15:21, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

If you tell us your username we can try sending the account a test e-mail. You could try asking for a reset password for the username instead of the e-mail address, but if the e-mail you entered for the account is not valid you will still not get it. SpinningSpark 15:37, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
I assumed it was User:MZA, but that user has never edited, and they either have emailuser turned off or have not set an email for the account. - Purplewowies (talk) 19:05, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Mzwickler (talk · contribs) has edited all three articles, thats where my bet is. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:24, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Which does have e-mail enabled. I suggest the user checks their junk-mail folder, and if the mail is not there then turn off all e-mail spam filters and try again. SpinningSpark 19:40, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Not sure if it's Wiki help protocol to say thank you, but thank you! M Mzwickler (talk) 07:55, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Wisconsin Congressional district maps

The Wisconsin Congressional district maps are WRONG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:2C32:CDD0:B52A:E0D9:8581:BAB7 (talk) 16:10, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Which maps where? --Orange Mike | Talk 17:20, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
You're very likely right: the English Wikipedia has yet to get around to uploading new maps for U.S. congressional districts as they were redrawn prior to the 2012 elections. This is true of every state, not just Wisconsin. Every map should be labelled correctly though; that is to say, if it's a map of a district that existed from 2002 to 2012, it should say so. I've just changed some captions at the articles on each Wisconsin district (Wisconsin's 3rd congressional district, Wisconsin's 4th congressional district, etc.) to more accurately reflect this, so if that's what you're referring to I hope that's solved the problem. If there are maps elsewhere that have incorrect or misleading captions though, then you'll need to either be more specific as to what problem you want to see fixed, or just fix it yourself. Hope that helps. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 00:22, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Angus Deayton (1)

Angus Deayton (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)

When correcting grammatical errors in the Wikipedia article on Angus Deayton I came across a blatant misquote in the paragraph on the "Have I Got News For You"/Deayton cocaine scandal (para 5 under "Radio and Television Career"). The quote that comes up under footnote #8 does not tally with the quote in the article, which is a paraphrase. As the subject matter here is sensitive, I altered the wording to make it accord with the article quoted in the footnote, but am now not sure if I should have done. Does Wikipedia countenance paraphrases of quotes? Surely only when it is made clear that words from quotes are paraphrased, otherwise what of Wikipedia's reputation for accuracy? --P123cat1 (talk) 17:25, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

You are quite right to correct this - it is impermissible to paraphrase a quotation in such a manner. See Wikipedia:Quotations#Formatting for the few cases where changes to a quote are permitted:
If not used verbatim, any alterations must be clearly marked, i.e. [square brackets] for added or replacement text, an ellipsis (...) for removed text (see WP:ELLIPSIS for details), and emphasis noted after the quotation as "[emphasis added]" or "[emphasis in the original]". Exceptions are trivial spelling or typographical errors that obviously do not affect the intended meaning; these may be silently corrected or may be retained and marked with " [sic]"—using the template sic—to indicate that the error is in the original source.
AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:40, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Deleting pages with large edit histories

I don't know if this is the place for asking this question, but I think it is. An admin once deleted the sandbox, crashing wikipedia. From what I gather, it has something to do with the large number of edits overwhelming the servers. There's now a block on admins deleting pages with more than 5,000 edits.

My question is, from a technical perspective, if a page with many thousands of edits needed to be deleted for some reason, how would an admin go about it without crashing the servers? Have the developers implemented a fix to allow for this situation, other than resorting to the "oversight" process? (talk) 17:29, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

In the unlikely event it happened, I believe the admins would ask the developers to do it. RJFJR (talk) 18:05, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, there is a "bigdelete" right, and stewards have it, so we would presumably ask them. As an aside, I don't think oversight would be of any help regardless, since oversight doesn't actually delete any revisions or anything; it just makes revisions non-viewable by non-oversighters (but still present) in the article history. Writ Keeper  18:09, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
See also Wikipedia:Don't delete the main page. Rmhermen (talk) 23:38, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
[edit conflict with Rmhermen] Part of the issue is the prevention of vandalism by rogue admins or compromised admin accounts. See this story about a rogue admin rampage, as Robdurbar deleted huge pages such as Cheese, History, and the Main Page. You may also find WP:DDTMP relevant; it describes the situation from before the Main Page was undeletable. And yes, it occasionally does happen that we need to delete such a page, although it's sometimes a history merge or other housekeeping situation. See this request and this request, in both of which I had to request help from stewards because of this kind of situation. Nyttend (talk) 23:45, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Angus Deayton (2)

Thanks for the help with my first query on Angus Deayton earlier today. I am afraid I have come across two more misquotes in the article, in section 3.1, "Tabloid allegations and reaction", which I cannot see how to handle following the guidance you gave. Because I had become suspicious about this article, I listened to the short video clip of the Parkinson interview with Merton, as per footnote #26, and Merton did not starkly say that Deayton was a "dull man", as the article has it, he said he was "quite a dull man"; Merton was relating to Parky the time when they first heard about the Deayton scandal and how they were all surprised because they thought he was "quite a dull man", i.e. he was being humorous. Then later on there are some quotes taken from a "Daily Telegraph" article, footnote #27, all of which are accurate except for one. The "Daily Telegraph" article quotes Merton as saying, "'If anyone didn't know me and him didn't get on, then they hadn't been watching the show for 14 years'", and while I suppose it is fair enough to paraphrase that as they "never got on", as the Wiki article has it, those are not the man's actual words. I am sorry to be so legalistic about the first misquote, but I get very irritated at the way words can be slanted to give a different meaning by lifting them out of context. Journalists are past masters at it and I am wondering who wrote this Wiki article. Or perhaps I am being paranoid and the author of the article is just a clumsy writer. Anyway, what can be done about these non-quotes? Ellipsis marks and square brackets cannot be applied here. --P123cat1 (talk) 20:47, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

PS Have just properly noticed the Wiki article's "proclaimed" he was a "dull man" (re first misquote), which rather suggests the slanting was intentional! --P123cat1 (talk) 21:06, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm inclined to think that the paragraph in question needs considerable trimming, if not complete deletion. I'm not sure that we need commentary (positive or negative) from fellow game-show participants at all. It amounts to little of real significance, and reads like tabloid gossip. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:22, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I will see if I can trim it down - if not, I will delete it. --P123cat1 (talk) 21:34, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

List of top icons

Is there any list/page that includes all Wikipedia top icons? --Zyma (talk) 23:00, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

No, they are used for many different purposes and not collected in one place. You can find a lot of them by selecting "Namespace:Template" at Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Top icon, but you have to click through to each template to see the icon it uses. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:23, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Adding on to that: Category:Title templates contains most of the topicons used for articles (page protection, featured articles, good articles, etc.). It does not include the many topicons for userpages, Wikipedia pages, etc. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 02:21, 24 April 2014 (UTC)


Not too long ago, there was a "Beta" option that gave better looking formatting to the Wikipedia pages, including serif fonts for titles, borderless images, and a much cleaner contents menu. Now, the serif fonts are default, but the other features are gone, along with the option. Is there anyway to get this back? I really prefer the way articles looked with it activated. Thanks, MeanMotherJr (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 23:15, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't know how the Beta feature looked but the bottom of Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets has "New image thumb design" which gives borderless images. This link shows how it will look for American Revolutionary War. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:42, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Very close, thanks. There still is a very slight border though, and the captions are bordered; in the beta there was no border whatsoever. I really do hope they implement the Beta design into Wikipedia; it gave it a more streamlined, modern look and feel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MeanMotherJr (talkcontribs) 23:57, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Is anything in the "beta features" preference section something that you know you had enabled? - Purplewowies (talk) 06:01, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Can't find the MW page

I'd like to add a link to the deletion log on a MediaWiki page, but I can't find it. Whenever you attempt to delete a page and aren't allowed, you get the following message: "You do not have permission to delete this page, for the following reason:[line break][reason]" See if you're an admin (can't be deleted because you don't have bigdelete) or if you're not (can't be deleted because non-admins don't have delete) for a couple of examples. I'd like to edit the MediaWiki message so that it provides a link to the page's deletion log; what's the message's name? In case anyone wonders, I sometimes click the "delete" button to see the deletion log (it appears at the bottom of the deletion page when the page is deletable), but of course this means that I'm mildly surprised and mildly disappointed when I'm unable to delete the page, since I don't get any log. Nyttend (talk) 23:33, 23 April 2014 (UTC) shows that it is MediaWiki:Permissionserrorstext-withaction called with a parameter saying the action was delete. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:49, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

April 24

archangrlshow many were there?

how many archangals were there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:09, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

This page is for questions about editing Wikipedia. You could try the Reference Desk. TheCascadian 05:39, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
...or read the Archangel article. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:28, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

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